Pegasus

alangate · Post by **alangate** » 18 Mar 2008, 00:15

Does anyone know how bad the thing really is, or how much damage its going to do .
Any comments welcome

gazza2 · Post by **gazza2** » 18 Mar 2008, 08:30

I THINK THAT WHEN THESE REVIEWS ARE PUSHED IN DID I SAY PUSHED IN I MEAN ONE SIZE FITS ALL AS LONG AS YOU DONT EXPECT REALISTIC RESULTS AND HOPE
THAT YOUR WALK IS GOING TO BE ANY LESS IF IT IS ON THE 3 AND A HALF GOING ON THE FOUR HOUR SIDE. BELLS CAN BE PUSHED AND KNOBS CAN PULLED TO COMPRESS
YOUR 3 AND A HALF INTO A MONSTER

abraham · Post by **abraham** » 18 Mar 2008, 09:59

You have to make sure your rep goes on the CWU course. It is excellent and then you'll know all the tricks they'll try.

It's up to your office to pull together, if done properly it may put duties in, you have to be positive.

Post by **rhino49** » 18 Mar 2008, 14:41

Our rep has been on the Pegasus course and is being withdrawn from delivery duties to work through the whole process with our DOM - that is the way it should be in all offices affected by it - for heavens sake - even the managers must benefit if it tells RM that we need MORE walks in an office.

johnnyp · Post by **johnnyp** » 18 Mar 2008, 16:11

alangate wrote:Does anyone know how bad the thing really is, or how much damage its going to do .
Any comments welcome

You will loose duties big time if you use pegasus

If you dont want massive job cuts then just say no.As far as i know there is no National agreement on pegasus so if you are doing revisions use the table top method

Local knowledge you cant beat it friend.

alangate · Post by **alangate** » 18 Mar 2008, 17:16

johnnypick wrote:
alangate wrote:Does anyone know how bad the thing really is, or how much damage its going to do .
Any comments welcome

You will loose duties big time if you use pegasus If you dont want massive job cuts then just say no.As far as i know there is no National agreement on pegasus so if you are doing revisions use the table top method Local knowledge you cant beat it friend.

Thanks Johnny thats a big help

Mezza · Post by **Mezza** » 21 Mar 2008, 22:01

We had a bloke that works with Pegasus give us a talk on it last week. From what he says, every office in the country will be implementing it !!
From what he said it sounds fantastic, we're bound to get more duties and have chunks taken off already overloaded walks.....

Yeah right.

So if the winged barer of bullshit says we need extra duties, what's to stop my DOM just saying well they managed ok before this so we'll just keep quiet and let them get on with it, maybe tweek a couple of duties to make it look good??
Of course if it says we need to lose duties, then the conclusion is obvious.

hooniebagoonie · Post by **hooniebagoonie** » 22 Mar 2008, 15:54

ok in principle pegasus/geo route is a perfect tool for equalising walks in delivery office (i know as ive had the training and worked on it and done the scenarios for the office i work in...it actually added 2 walks back in for us) if all the information is gathered from the postmen and women and put in correctly
now lets get to the reality of the matter....management will and have manipulated the figures and in there scenarios it says we need to cut 2 walks
so lets face facts....they say we manipulated figures to add 2 duties we say they have to cut 2 duties....so in theory it should stay the same but it wont.....doesnt matter what we do management want cuts cuts and more cuts we will not see the final figures to input so management will screw us......just let your reps say not to signing off the proposals
:lfo :cfo

Misssorts · Post by **Misssorts** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:25

Have Watched Sid and Sarah go through the walks at my office over the last couple of weeks. Its a nightmare waiting to happen. Had the current walks on A plus put into Geo Route this week. It came out that my walk only took 1 hour 45 mins. :lfo . I then told the prat from RM to go away and come back when he learnt how to programe the system properly. Youve guessed it. Still Waiting

Post by **rhino49** » 22 Mar 2008, 19:39

See my earlier post about pegasus reference moving time and idle time - it does not seem to allow for walking AND working when forecasting the time taken for a walk.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... ght=#10759

Post Hand held GPS unit for walk verification
I recently purchased a Garmin Etrex Vista hand held GPS unit to use as an aid in off track hill walking, and decided to take it out on my delivery route to familiarise myself with it's capabilities before ditching my compass and going hitech.

What a wonderful piece of kit - it first of all confirmed what the much vaunted Pegasus program has always insisted - that my walk should take me one and a half hours less than it actually does (mobile time 2 hours 34 minutes) !!!

It also informed me that, in addition to the mobile time of approx two and a half hours (Pegasus' time allocated for the route) - it showed an "idle" time of slightly over one and a half hours, being the time spent at letterboxes, bag drops etc, bringing the time up to what I usually take i.e. about four hours on a busy day. This unit separates mobile and idle time very accurately and also shows mobile speed and overall speed for complete walk.

Obviously Pegasus only shows the time taken to walk the route ( approx 8.2 miles, give or take the odd driveway in my case) and doesn't allow for the fact that we are delivering mail while we do it. If anyone else has a similar unit, try it out and see what results you get.

I have repeated the exercise and am certain that Pegasus was named as such because we are expected to be flying horses

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Post by **trythat** » 23 Mar 2008, 10:12

Nice post rhino, we're about to start georoute in the next month or so. Our area is very hilly, so I'm hoping we can get all this kind of stuff put into georoute. But I'm going to remember your post for future use :)

Post by **rhino49** » 23 Mar 2008, 10:40

.......Like all of RM's much vaunted ideas - they are all based on a "best case" scenario which will allocate approx 30 seconds per delivery point over an average town walk. My mail mix on saturday had up to (and in some cases beyond) 8 items per customer and included magazines and catalogues as well as pop3 and c5 mail - add to this 20+ packets above letter box size and 7 recorded deliveries and the formula falls flat on it's arse for the simple reason that over 50% of the walk is no longer a walk up/pop it in/walk away type of delivery and we have to physically make up for that by exceeding the standard walking pace required to the detriment of our health and safety.

There is little point to RM's lip service to walk safety (the rules regarding reading whilst walking etc etc) if we are chastised by managers for taking longer on busy days. We're not able to provide an elastic service that fits every scenario because of our physical limitations and that means we will always be in conflict with computer driven system changes.

Stay human - it's a race for survival.

combocrasher · Post by **combocrasher** » 23 Mar 2008, 11:37

Under pegasus my old round was also claimed to be an hour and so to deliver, so they chopped it up between 3 jobs and now those boys are mostly struggling or working past their times

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 23 Mar 2008, 11:57

30 seconds per delivery point

We were told that it was 8 seconds per DP

DGP1 · Post by **DGP1** » 23 Mar 2008, 12:08

linkinpark wrote:
disgruntledpostie1 wrote:
30 seconds per delivery point
We were told that it was 8 seconds per DP
We were told that it was 9 seconds per house the f*cking liars.

The CWU should really have worked out a set of rules and set them on concrete not letting us work things out in individual offices.

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