earlier start times for new contracts

[ted_e_bear]

whats the CWU doing about it?

Probably f**k all. These days it seems like the union is non-existent in many offices.

Probably

[steve1873]

I'm essence, assuming hours are over 5 days, then a new entrant on a 30 hour contract is essentially on a 32.5 hour contract whilst only paid for 30. The additional 2.5 hours being .5 hours per day unpaid break.

I had originally assumed at our office that new entrants were paid 27.5 hours despite being on a 30 hour contract, but apparently they are paid for the full 30.

What are the legalities as to working a 6 hour day I'm terms of breaks? I.e. do they have to take a minimum amount of break and as such should that be explained to them to ensure they start at the appropriate time to ensure that their net and gross hours marry up accordingly?

[Burghboy]

I'm essence, assuming hours are over 5 days, then a new entrant on a 30 hour contract is essentially on a 32.5 hour contract whilst only paid for 30. The additional 2.5 hours being .5 hours per day unpaid break.

I had originally assumed at our office that new entrants were paid 27.5 hours despite being on a 30 hour contract, but apparently they are paid for the full 30.

What are the legalities as to working a 6 hour day I'm terms of breaks? I.e. do they have to take a minimum amount of break and as such should that be explained to them to ensure they start at the appropriate time to ensure that their net and gross hours marry up accordingly?

In our DO we had a few started on the 27.5 hour contracts, they then started bringing them in on 30 hour contracts. Another absolute cluster f**k from the company.

[fb1969]

What are the legalities as to working a 6 hour day I'm terms of breaks? I.e. do they have to take a minimum amount of break and as such should that be explained to them to ensure they start at the appropriate time to ensure that their net and gross hours marry up accordingly?

The legal standing is that you must have a 20 minute break if you work more than six hours. So technically someone working exactly six hours is not entitled to a break at all. The break can be paid or unpaid. By having some staff getting paid breaks and other unpaid, RM have to juggle with what the unpaid person does while the paid person is taking their break!

https://www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

[ted_e_bear]

Reading through this I'd suggest the way to marry up people on the two different contracts is if the office has for example a mix of 30 and 37 hour duties then someone on the new contract should be on 27.5 or approx 34 for full time (dependant on full time longs and shorts)

That way everyone would start and finish at the same time whilst getting paid for the time that's supposed to be working time.

So regards to the original point management are correct in wanting people to start 30 mins early (or finish late but that would be more impractical) so that they attend for 6 hours work, that's obviously assuming they either have a 30min break or finish working 6 hours from starting otherwise overtime should be paid.

And yes I agree it's a shitshow having a two tier workforce.

[dazzler123]

What are the legalities as to working a 6 hour day I'm terms of breaks? I.e. do they have to take a minimum amount of break and as such should that be explained to them to ensure they start at the appropriate time to ensure that their net and gross hours marry up accordingly?

The legal standing is that you must have a 20 minute break if you work more than six hours. So technically someone working exactly six hours is not entitled to a break at all. The break can be paid or unpaid. By having some staff getting paid breaks and other unpaid, RM have to juggle with what the unpaid person does while the paid person is taking their break!

https://www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

working 6 hours in this job is in a perfect world, what if you likely have to go over 6 hours to complete with the fulltimer

[TopperGas]

"An employer should give an employee enough breaks to make sure their health and safety isn’t at risk if that work is ‘monotonous’ (eg work on a production line)."

Does sticking post though doors come under this H&S heading?