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POSTMAN
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by POSTMAN »

There is no 'commit to deliver'.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by redlen »

9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Acca Dacca »

redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
Not compulsory and cant be enforced

have a read of this thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72533
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Acca Dacca wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:03
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
Not compulsory and cant be enforced

have a read of this thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72533
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Pidleypoo »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:30
Acca Dacca wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:03
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
Not compulsory and cant be enforced

have a read of this thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72533
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
My gut feeling is that absolutely no one will put up with that and it’s evidenced by the sheer number of new starters that leave as soon as they find out.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Acca Dacca »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:30
Acca Dacca wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:03
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
Not compulsory and cant be enforced

have a read of this thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72533
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
What redlen has posted isnt just whats in new contracts - clause 9 has been included in contracts for many years
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by LouBarlow »

It doesn’t have to be in the contract anyway. A new starter can be pressurised into working to complete. That is why we should be trying to encourage them to join the union, despite them not being seen as a priority by the union higher ups.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Valentina@1 »

LouBarlow wrote:
30 Nov 2023, 07:54
It doesn’t have to be in the contract anyway. A new starter can be pressurised into working to complete. That is why we should be trying to encourage them to join the union, despite them not being seen as a priority by the union higher ups.
What’s the union going to do for them exactly?…they’ve unfortunately become completely powerless and won’t address anything at ground level,they just use the “take out a grievance” line.

Open your eyes👍
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by LouBarlow »

Valentina@1 wrote:
30 Nov 2023, 09:07
LouBarlow wrote:
30 Nov 2023, 07:54
It doesn’t have to be in the contract anyway. A new starter can be pressurised into working to complete. That is why we should be trying to encourage them to join the union, despite them not being seen as a priority by the union higher ups.
What’s the union going to do for them exactly?…they’ve unfortunately become completely powerless and won’t address anything at ground level,they just use the “take out a grievance” line.

Open your eyes👍
It might vary from office to office or area to area, but both our office and area reps are decent.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Mr Rush »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:30
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
Emphasis mine. It would be amusing to see the company's lawyers argue all parties should fulfill their contractual obligations.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by degsy »

Manager said just take parcels out no letters .
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by guardianangel »

Mr Rush wrote:
03 Dec 2023, 23:29
SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:30
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
Emphasis mine. It would be amusing to see the company's lawyers argue all parties should fulfill their contractual obligations.
You dont have to work anymore than 48 hours a week now that is law.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by gfte »

guardianangel wrote:
06 Dec 2023, 20:12


You dont have to work anymore than 48 hours a week now that is law.
https://www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-working-hours
You cannot work more than 48 hours a week on average - normally averaged over 17 weeks.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by Navalron »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:30
Acca Dacca wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 19:03
redlen wrote:
29 Nov 2023, 18:42
9.2

Royal Mail has the responsibility of providing a public service. This puts a special
obligation on all employees to play their part in maintaining the kind of service that
the public has a right to expect. The nature of the service makes a measure of
additional hours and overtime working necessary. For this reason, it is a condition
of your employment that you are liable to work additional hours and overtime and
to attend at varying times on any day (including weekends and public bank
holidays) as the needs of the service demand.
Not compulsory and cant be enforced

have a read of this thread

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=72533
My gut feeling is that it can be enforced. RM's lawyers would have gone through the standard new contracts to check what can and can't be done
It's not in the new contracts. FFS. do your reps not know what is going on. If I didn't know my job as a union rep I would be voted out but wouldn't wait if I was shut at being avrep. FFS.
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Re: New starters and commit to deliver

Post by spaceman07 »

Valentina@1 wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 16:45
sindba wrote:
24 Nov 2023, 16:14
It can't possibly be in their contract.

Commit to deliver means compulsory overtime, which is illegal.

He's probably been lied to by a manager and / or is confused about what willful delay actually means.
This is happening everywhere,where’s the union?
It’s so bad😡😡
Have we still got one lol