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I'm a postman - morale is at an all-time low: What posties REALLY think of Royal Mail...and why you're waiting weeks for post

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Re: I'm a postman - morale is at an all-time low: What posties REALLY think of Royal Mail… and why you're waiting weeks for post

Post by Jb1969 »

moon71 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 05:42
Working 9 hours overtime on my day off, Monday. Duty Tues-Friday 600-1515. OT 1515-1830 Collection. Saturday day off, packet delivery 5-6 hours. Breaking 40k again this year on a 65 hour week. With no shift allowances.

Anyone can do it. And I have back ups too, night shift OT, delivery's in another unit.

If you want to work, the work is there. I see more people simply moan that extra hours are not convenient for them. Not earning enough? Get a 7.5 ton class c1/c licence. Go on logistics. Get a weekend duty. The possibilities are endless in a 24hour/ 7day week organisation.

But don't tell me your skint please, if your unwilling to do anything about it.
Correct, if your single, in a partnership or have amazing family that help out.
But if your a single parent, two young kids & on your own?
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Post by 2chorizon »

Jb1969 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 13:29
moon71 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 05:42
Working 9 hours overtime on my day off, Monday. Duty Tues-Friday 600-1515. OT 1515-1830 Collection. Saturday day off, packet delivery 5-6 hours. Breaking 40k again this year on a 65 hour week. With no shift allowances.

Anyone can do it. And I have back ups too, night shift OT, delivery's in another unit.

If you want to work, the work is there. I see more people simply moan that extra hours are not convenient for them. Not earning enough? Get a 7.5 ton class c1/c licence. Go on logistics. Get a weekend duty. The possibilities are endless in a 24hour/ 7day week organisation.

But don't tell me your skint please, if your unwilling to do anything about it.
Correct, if your single, in a partnership or have amazing family that help out.
But if your a single parent, two young kids & on your own?
Then it is highly probable that lucrative child tax credits are being claimed and the Part time hrs were a choice to maximise the benefits claim, Usually 16hrs.
Everyone who works in supermarkets is also at it, in fact companies like tesco base their whole staffing model around 16hrs benefit claimants.
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Re: I'm a postman - morale is at an all-time low: What posties REALLY think of Royal Mail… and why you're waiting weeks for post

Post by pinstripe »

2chorizon wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 13:54


Then it is highly probable that lucrative child tax credits are being claimed and the Part time hrs were a choice to maximise the benefits claim, Usually 16hrs.
Everyone who works in supermarkets is also at it, in fact companies like tesco base their whole staffing model around 16hrs benefit claimants.
People working 16 hours and claiming working tax credits only applies if you are single and responsible for a child, or if you are disabled, or if you are over 60.

Anyone else aged 25-59 have to work a minimum of 30 hours, so your claim is demonstrably false. Unless, of course, Tesco is staffed entirely by disabled single mums aged 60+
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Post by richj2009 »

You miss understand the point. If, as most currently are slogging their guts out for this firm but some need a food bank. Ide rather earn similar money in an easier going job and continue to use a food bank. At least you'll be less knackered. That's all I meant. It's nothing to do with morality. Well the boards maybe.
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Post by fluxburner »

moon71 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 05:42
Working 9 hours overtime on my day off, Monday. Duty Tues-Friday 600-1515. OT 1515-1830 Collection. Saturday day off, packet delivery 5-6 hours. Breaking 40k again this year on a 65 hour week. With no shift allowances.

Anyone can do it. And I have back ups too, night shift OT, delivery's in another unit.

If you want to work, the work is there. I see more people simply moan that extra hours are not convenient for them. Not earning enough? Get a 7.5 ton class c1/c licence. Go on logistics. Get a weekend duty. The possibilities are endless in a 24hour/ 7day week organisation.

But don't tell me your skint please, if your unwilling to do anything about it.
I can tell you are still young. Possibilities are endless with no wife, no kids, no social life, and a functioning young body, or any combination where you can do the hours you want when you want. Fortunately for me I'm not a Daily Mail reader, so I do consider other people's viewpoints . Plus 40k for 65 hours is really bad, after 40 years of working in 20 different countries, I suggest you reappraise your own situation, rather than doing the "Daily Mail" you're lazy guilt trip trope.
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Re: I'm a postman - morale is at an all-time low: What posties REALLY think of Royal Mail… and why you're waiting weeks for post

Post by Tman »

richj2009 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 17:44
You miss understand the point. If, as most currently are slogging their guts out for this firm but some need a food bank. Ide rather earn similar money in an easier going job and continue to use a food bank.
No, you miss the obvious point that charities like food banks are set up and run to help the desperate rather than to give you an "easier" life. Some food bank users are often painted as taking advantage by sections of society, and with your attitude that's no wonder.
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Post by enskied »

Tman wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 20:29
richj2009 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 17:44
You miss understand the point. If, as most currently are slogging their guts out for this firm but some need a food bank. Ide rather earn similar money in an easier going job and continue to use a food bank.
No, you miss the obvious point that charities like food banks are set up and run to help the desperate rather than to give you an "easier" life. Some food bank users are often painted as taking advantage by sections of society, and with your attitude that's no wonder.
No you miss the point.
Food banks were set up for the needy and desperate. They have been hijacked by the government and business to prop up their lack of support.
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Post by HarrySutton »

moon71 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 05:42
Working 9 hours overtime on my day off, Monday. Duty Tues-Friday 600-1515. OT 1515-1830 Collection. Saturday day off, packet delivery 5-6 hours. Breaking 40k again this year on a 65 hour week. With no shift allowances.

Anyone can do it. And I have back ups too, night shift OT, delivery's in another unit.

If you want to work, the work is there. I see more people simply moan that extra hours are not convenient for them. Not earning enough? Get a 7.5 ton class c1/c licence. Go on logistics. Get a weekend duty. The possibilities are endless in a 24hour/ 7day week organisation.

But don't tell me your skint please, if your unwilling to do anything about it.
Strange looking at your old posts, you were claiming to be skint about 4/5 posts back, then a few year back you were making 30k a year while we were only making 18, because most of us are lazy bastards,
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Post by moon71 »

The wife was made redundant in December 22. Strikes bit into the savings. Gas an electric went from £100 month to a record £340 month. We went from a good life in middle off 2022 to being nearly £1400 worse of in December 2023.

I was absolutely skint. Being in tesco having the bank card refused because of lack of funds heartbreaking. Adding another 7 years to the mortgage saved us £150 month helps.

But I carried on working. The wife passed her driving test saving us £70 week and got a job after family loaned us money for a car. Things are looking good again.

Thank you for delving into my past posts and understanding situations can change.

Some replies referring that I'm young with no family, or that I read the daily mail are wrong.
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Post by Tman »

enskied wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 21:38

Food banks were set up for the needy and desperate. They have been hijacked by the government and business to prop up their lack of support.
OK. So now we're off into the realms of fantasy rather than address the idea that someone could take an easier job and top up his supplies via a charitable foodbank?
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Post by HarrySutton »

moon71 wrote:
26 Nov 2023, 12:09
The wife was made redundant in December 22. Strikes bit into the savings. Gas an electric went from £100 month to a record £340 month. We went from a good life in middle off 2022 to being nearly £1400 worse of in December 2023.

I was absolutely skint. Being in tesco having the bank card refused because of lack of funds heartbreaking. Adding another 7 years to the mortgage saved us £150 month helps.

But I carried on working. The wife passed her driving test saving us £70 week and got a job after family loaned us money for a car. Things are looking good again.

Thank you for delving into my past posts and understanding situations can change.

Some replies referring that I'm young with no family, or that I read the daily mail are wrong.
Pleased things are looking up pal, hope you and family have a nice Xmas
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Re: I'm a postman - morale is at an all-time low: What posties REALLY think of Royal Mail… and why you're waiting weeks for post

Post by mjd24 »

moon71 wrote:
25 Nov 2023, 05:42
Working 9 hours overtime on my day off, Monday. Duty Tues-Friday 600-1515. OT 1515-1830 Collection. Saturday day off, packet delivery 5-6 hours. Breaking 40k again this year on a 65 hour week. With no shift allowances.

Anyone can do it. And I have back ups too, night shift OT, delivery's in another unit.

If you want to work, the work is there. I see more people simply moan that extra hours are not convenient for them. Not earning enough? Get a 7.5 ton class c1/c licence. Go on logistics. Get a weekend duty. The possibilities are endless in a 24hour/ 7day week organisation.

But don't tell me your skint please, if your unwilling to do anything about it.
Lol
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Post by Foxel »

The post is riddled with a lack of empathy or an understanding of how other people's lives may be very different. Its very creation was clearly one of discord.

Some offices have plenty of overtime available, some do not. Some people have the time to work more, others do not. And so on.

Have a care when attacking your colleagues for you know not what troubles their brief existence brings.
I'm turning purple!
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Post by mwalker88 »

Foxel wrote:
26 Nov 2023, 17:03
The post is riddled with a lack of empathy or an understanding of how other people's lives may be very different. Its very creation was clearly one of discord.

Some offices have plenty of overtime available, some do not. Some people have the time to work more, others do not. And so on.

Have a care when attacking your colleagues for you know not what troubles their brief existence brings.
Do you genuinely have "the time" i.e. Cartilage to work more on delivery these days? Genuinely asking, because I didn't and had to quit my RM "job for life" :shock:
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Post by Foxel »

mwalker88 wrote:
26 Nov 2023, 17:15
Do you genuinely have "the time" i.e. Cartilage to work more on delivery these days? Genuinely asking, because I didn't and had to quit my RM "job for life" :shock:
I can't physically or mentally work much over my time. It's fair to say I've been through the wars out on delivery and I am lucky I can still do the job at all. Add to that I have responsibilities to get home for so I never want more work. Others I work with sulk if they can't work their day off and will take any OT. And the cleaver ones still manage to pull off 70 hours of OT. :hmmmm They must have superior bodies.

I know I have a limited time left with RM even if I wanted to stay, but its physical demands are becoming unbearable. We have parcels being left and just slipped because they can't be lifted safely, on a single duty, without any equipment.
I'm turning purple!