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TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Wow is this a cut and paste from a certain site as I am sure I read that word for word on there.
ok so what will we get by taking industrial action then
Wasn't arguing against your point just pointing out that I read that on another site. Sorry if that upset you. I personally would support a strike or other form of IA if that was the democratic decision, after all that's why I joined the union. On a purely personal basis I have not been in this pension plan for it to effect me very much and I have enough other pension, even 1 which I am drawing on already so the changes will have very little effect on me.
However, as I disagree with the plan I can vote against it. If the CWU ballot for IA I will make my mind up whether or not I will vote for a strike.
To answer your general question we might not got anything, that is the risk. But if you disagree with something strong enough why not do everything in your power and within your beliefs to stop it or at least make a stand against it. It may be a futile and self defeating gesture but its better than doing nothing. I would rather loose knowing I did what I thought was right, rather than just accept I cant make a difference and do nothing.
yeh good ideal we will get shafted again,just like the pay and modernization deal.remind me what we went on strike for . just like the last two national strikes
So, you advocate rolling-over and dying, accepting anything and everything these leeches throw at you?
no i do not,however what will we achieve by taking industrial action.i say again what did we achieve in the past i have over the last 3 national strikes lost a large amount of money and for what??????????????
Beaten into submission then? Turned into a servile lacky ,little Adam will be made up to hear that
ok then BELIAL" what do we do??????????? your solution please
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
if i thought there would be something to be ganed by taking action then i would be the first on the picket line,but i just cant see it
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Wow is this a cut and paste from a certain site as I am sure I read that word for word on there.
ok so what will we get by taking industrial action then
Wasn't arguing against your point just pointing out that I read that on another site. Sorry if that upset you. I personally would support a strike or other form of IA if that was the democratic decision, after all that's why I joined the union. On a purely personal basis I have not been in this pension plan for it to effect me very much and I have enough other pension, even 1 which I am drawing on already so the changes will have very little effect on me.
However, as I disagree with the plan I can vote against it. If the CWU ballot for IA I will make my mind up whether or not I will vote for a strike.
To answer your general question we might not got anything, that is the risk. But if you disagree with something strong enough why not do everything in your power and within your beliefs to stop it or at least make a stand against it. It may be a futile and self defeating gesture but its better than doing nothing. I would rather loose knowing I did what I thought was right, rather than just accept I cant make a difference and do nothing.
yeh good ideal we will get shafted again,just like the pay and modernization deal.remind me what we went on strike for . just like the last two national strikes
So, you advocate rolling-over and dying, accepting anything and everything these leeches throw at you?
no i do not,however what will we achieve by taking industrial action.i say again what did we achieve in the past i have over the last 3 national strikes lost a large amount of money and for what??????????????
Beaten into submission then? Turned into a servile lacky ,little Adam will be made up to hear that
ok then BELIAL" what do we do??????????? your solution please
If I was you ,I'd give them the deeds to my house ,free use of my car and unfettered rights of access to my partner ,it might satisfy them .
But I'm not you so I think I will take the only practical option left open to me .: un funneh unless your taking the piss out of 180,000 people being shafted
I'd say we're all right and wrong here. Belial (hello) is right in that it is the only option available to us. Practical is another thing, but it is our only defence. I also agree that it may not solve anything either. A lot of people I work with still have concerns that they'll simply lose more money and make no progress, even if its their only option but all the signs point to it being brought in on the 1st regardless, then a series of talks between both unions and whoever gets picked as the negotiator within RM, working out the wording of the original agreement and arguments will rattle on until some slight concession is made - strike or no strike.
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
I'd Leighton worked out from the onset , a mate of mine used those "Well tough" -Sam Walmart style letters that he thought had gone out in the 80's for his TUC work . I agreed with a strike in 03 for the simple reason you must stand up to Leighton , as those boardroom bullies will be back for more .
MURDERERS. Need to dispose of a body? Simply parcel it up and post it to yourself via DHL. You will never see it again.
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
if i thought there would be something to be ganed by taking action then i would be the first on the picket line,but i just cant see it
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Pride, self-respect, just two qualities I know I'd lose if I were to simply roll over and play possum and let the likes of
Leighton and Crozier walk all over me. As ever, if it comes to a strike, you'll be in a minority, the majority, I'm glad to say, will share my view.
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
if i thought there would be something to be ganed by taking action then i would be the first on the picket line,but i just cant see it
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Pride, self-respect, just two qualities I know I'd lose if I were to simply roll over and play possum and let the likes of
Leighton and Crozier walk all over me. As ever, if it comes to a strike, you'll be in a minority, the majority, I'm glad to say, will share my view.
minority of what,so you think we will firstly vote for strike action granted,secondly by going out side the gates you think we will get a result you must be having a .
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
I'd Leighton worked out from the onset , a mate of mine used those "Well tough" -Sam Walmart style letters that he thought had gone out in the 80's for his TUC work . I agreed with a strike in 03 for the simple reason you must stand up to Leighton , as those boardroom bullies will be back for more .
Quite right, mate. Despite the odds against us, we must show the vermin in Old St, we will never make it easy for 'em.
DirtyHarry wrote:I understand what you're saying, but I cannot see we have any other option. If we do nothing, they'll be back for more, that's for sure.
if i thought there would be something to be ganed by taking action then i would be the first on the picket line,but i just cant see it
Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Pride, self-respect, just two qualities I know I'd lose if I were to simply roll over and play possum and let the likes of
Leighton and Crozier walk all over me. As ever, if it comes to a strike, you'll be in a minority, the majority, I'm glad to say, will share my view.
minority of what,so you think we will firstly vote for strike action granted,secondly by going out side the gates you think we will get a result you must be having a .
remind me what we got form the last strike
A better basic pay rise, D2Ds dropped from discussion, local agreements instead of imposition from the top, £400 from flexibility, saved the MTSF for now, attendance procedure stayed the same (RM wanted a shorter time frame and a quicker procedure), kept the shift allowance on grandfather rights for as long as you are in your role, rather than 3 years.
Not a lot, and a far from good result which is why I voted against the agreement but we did gain on these items if you use the original offer from Royal Mail as a starting point.
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. just like the last two national strikes
i have over the last 3 national strikes lost a large amount of money and for what??????????????
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