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dvbuk55 wrote:We shouldn't forget that the conference is any time now and the gruesome twosome are going to be in the pulpit preaching what a good job they've done in negotiating and how the fight for the pensions goes on - Yep it'll go on to the very end of the Conference and then abject silence. Night Tonic is absolutely right the Leadership ha had more than sufficient time to mount a campaign and have failed to do so. The writing was on the wall in November for all those who wanted to see.
If anyone remembers the writing was on the wall last july when this was originaly released in the press with the full knowledge of cwu, although they denied it. So who do you believe now?.
linkinpark wrote:I dont give a sh*t we should be balloted for strike NOW! I dont want to work for an extra five years or pay thousands extra to cover up the mistakes of our employers both Royal Mail and the "New Labour Goverment! And a few months on the picket would be well worth the five years they are trying to STEAL off of us! They are crooks bullie`s and liars and i just want what was part of my TERMS and CONDITIONS and i have had enough of them! And our Neville Chamberlain leadership with their peace in our times the total w*****s.
Well said and for if only everyone had the strength of their conviction's as you we would not be in this mess!.
I had a wonderfully produced booklet and a DVD from Royal Mail today spelling out the changes that are going to take place in just 13 days time. And from the CWU I have had zilch, no booklet, no DVD, no campaign and no backbone and all because ................... the deal was done last year. There isn't going to be a strike ballot - how many have had the workplace ballot - we certainly haven't. I am fortunately too old to care but if I was younger I would be worried not only about the current changes but about the changes when the next pension fund deficit arises. The CWU have stated that these changes aren't written in stone and could be changed back - well I have never in 47 years of work seen an employer reverse a decision that was costing less than previously and if the leadership of this union think they are leaving a legacy for change then they should re-name HQ the Theatre of Dreams on the Yellow Brick Road.
dvbuk55 wrote:I had a wonderfully produced booklet and a DVD from Royal Mail today spelling out the changes that are going to take place in just 13 days time. And from the CWU I have had zilch, no booklet, no DVD, no campaign and no backbone and all because ................... the deal was done last year. There isn't going to be a strike ballot - how many have had the workplace ballot - we certainly haven't. I am fortunately too old to care but if I was younger I would be worried not only about the current changes but about the changes when the next pension fund deficit arises. The CWU have stated that these changes aren't written in stone and could be changed back - well I have never in 47 years of work seen an employer reverse a decision that was costing less than previously and if the leadership of this union think they are leaving a legacy for change then they should re-name HQ the Theatre of Dreams on the Yellow Brick Road.
Same here but it's the only say we will get and if you get the chance VOTE!.
Didn't get a reply from HQ as regarding a legal challenge, sent the email two weeks ago today to Lionel Sampson, have now sent a copy to Dave Ward, I'll let you all know if I get a reply.
You won't and in the unlikely event that you do, there will be no legal challenge. The trustees will accept this because RM have fulflled their side of the bargain in terms of consulting workers. RM had an open line for workers to submit their opinions and that is all that was required of them. The CWU did not establish anything in black and white that said they would have the final say. If there is any blame to be made, it is to the CWU who did not tie up the loose ends of the pay deal. The ballot is merely a way to save face - look at how late they've left it - ONE day before the change comes in?
"The consultation period closed on 16 January 2008 but the helpline is still open to answer your queries and receive requests for personalised illustrations of how the changes to the Pension Plan might affect you."
Thanks for your replies, the reason I sent the email to L.Sampson was because I knew he was a trustee at the time of the merger and still is, so I was hopeful that he could let me know what the score was, I will give him the benefit of doubt that he did not get the email, the email to Dave Ward has been sent and I know that people have used that email address and got replies so I will be expecting a reply.
I still say that there must be a legal challenge because of the merger and all that went on at that time(I accept that I could be like Don Quixote tilting at windmills) but until I'm shown in writing that there's no hope of a legal challenge I will keep going on about it.
I have put in the email that I have been a member of the union for 23 years, but I didn't put in the fact that I was a Rep for over 10 years and a committee man for over 15 years, I will let you know if I get a reply.
Lionel Sampson - how he used to shout from the rostrum at Conference about the workers and their pensions. What has he done for us when in a position to make a difference? Nothing. Can't even answer an e-mail. What a fraud. Soon as his nose is in the trough, the principles go out the window.
The same goes for the other silent, gutless "Trustees" supposedly "protecting our interests". The CWU must remove them from the position of our representative Trustees with immediate effect if there is such a conflict between what the Union wants and what the representative Trustees have accepted.
Back to the original question, if there can be no CWU legal challenge to the decision announced today, why haven't we been told? What's the point of a strike if we have no legal basis to build it on? I await Tuesday's CWU announcement - who will be the April Fools?
Well to be fair to the CWU (and thats a trick in itself), they haven't mentioned strikes - only that they would discuss strategy. One thing the Trustees would CERTAINLY have done is made sure it was legal - or at least watertight. There won't be a legal challenge. Best hope for Hayes will be to turn at any meetings with Tarot cards. The only fight available will be picket lines and I cant see many stomaching that without anyone to negotiate or some kind of strategy. Few days of that and most will drift back in. Who knows though, they may have some magic beans.
Night Tonic wrote:Well to be fair to the CWU (and thats a trick in itself), they haven't mentioned strikes - only that they would discuss strategy. One thing the Trustees would CERTAINLY have done is made sure it was legal - or at least watertight. There won't be a legal challenge. Best hope for Hayes will be to turn at any meetings with Tarot cards. The only fight available will be picket lines and I cant see many stomaching that without anyone to negotiate or some kind of strategy. Few days of that and most will drift back in. Who knows though, they may have some magic beans.
They can borrow my magic beans, I exchanged my shareholder shares for some! I was on my way to the market when someone said "Have you got anything worthless you'd like to swap............................. and the rest is history.
Well another two weeks gone by and no reply from Dave Ward, this is getting curiouser and curiouser, if there is no legal challenge why don't they just say so, all they've to got to reply to my email's is "our lawyers say there is no legal challenge" end of story. The constant refusal to answer the question is worrying and what makes it worse is the fact that they can't be bothered to answer someone who has been a member for 23 years. I'm going to send the emails again and let them know that I expect a reply
Dave Ward has said that there will be a massive political campaign regarding the pension.
What that means and what it will do is anybodys guess.
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I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
The union have linked the pension to the future organisation of and involvement with the planning of RM and the political strategy to control the open postal market within the UK. The leadership aren't too worried about the changes to the pension they have already accepted the changes and the half hearted campaign is merely a bargaining chip to give them a seat at the table and who knows maybe a place on some Quango in perpetuity.
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