Delivery staff leaving royal mail.

[sixfoottwo]

How many will leave when they bring in last letter 4:30pm??????

I'll be one of those and quite a few other long timers will too in my office when that kicks in, ain't doing that on a Sat let alone any other day.

[Mr Rush]

Was there any surge in staff leaving in DOs after deal money was paid out?

The mess in Bristol seems in the right timeframe to explain the mass departure.

[sweepster70]

A very small minority of Postmen/Women do take the piss, but this was about one thing only ....Money!
They have brainwashed some people into believing it's the piss takers, but didn't they quote something like £200,000000 would be saved by the new sick policy? I could be wrong.

It has been about money since privatisation. Nobody is being brainwashed here. It is simple economics being employed by RM. They do not track people starting early. They *do* track people finishing hours early and pinpoint this as an area to save money. It is not difficult to understand.

As to sickness, we had people with literal calendars knowing when they were free to go off sick in our office. The same people would be sick during christmas pressure, or in the week before annual leave - the ‘lead in’ as it was known. People milking the system is the reason RM have done this, not because they want to punish those genuinely ill.

I agree with you about money, but I don't agree with you about sickness. A little seed spread the right way, goes a long way.
You know what you're talking about, so how much are Royal Mail making out of the new sick policy?

[LouBarlow]

A very small minority of Postmen/Women do take the piss, but this was about one thing only ....Money!
They have brainwashed some people into believing it's the piss takers, but didn't they quote something like £200,000000 would be saved by the new sick policy? I could be wrong.

It has been about money since privatisation. Nobody is being brainwashed here. It is simple economics being employed by RM. They do not track people starting early. They *do* track people finishing hours early and pinpoint this as an area to save money. It is not difficult to understand.

As to sickness, we had people with literal calendars knowing when they were free to go off sick in our office. The same people would be sick during christmas pressure, or in the week before annual leave - the ‘lead in’ as it was known. People milking the system is the reason RM have done this, not because they want to punish those genuinely ill.

I agree with you about money, but I don't agree with you about sickness. A little seed spread the right way, goes a long way.
You know what you're talking about, so how much are Royal Mail making out of the new sick policy?

How am I supposed to work that out? I can see why they went after the sickness policy, but I don’t agree with how they have implemented it. They have gone too far, and the frankly shameful way they didn’t spell out how relying on SSP means literally no pay was addressed poorly by the union as well. It hasn’t made a lot of difference in our office either. People are still going off sick, because, funnily enough, people get sick enough to not be able to work, especially with how nasty some of the seasonal viruses are right now.

[guardianangel]

A very small minority of Postmen/Women do take the piss, but this was about one thing only ....Money!
They have brainwashed some people into believing it's the piss takers, but didn't they quote something like £200,000000 would be saved by the new sick policy? I could be wrong.

It has been about money since privatisation. Nobody is being brainwashed here. It is simple economics being employed by RM. They do not track people starting early. They *do* track people finishing hours early and pinpoint this as an area to save money. It is not difficult to understand.

As to sickness, we had people with literal calendars knowing when they were free to go off sick in our office. The same people would be sick during christmas pressure, or in the week before annual leave - the ‘lead in’ as it was known. People milking the system is the reason RM have done this, not because they want to punish those genuinely ill.

I agree with you about money, but I don't agree with you about sickness. A little seed spread the right way, goes a long way.
You know what you're talking about, so how much are Royal Mail making out of the new sick policy?

How am I supposed to work that out? I can see why they went after the sickness policy, but I don’t agree with how they have implemented it. They have gone too far, and the frankly shameful way they didn’t spell out how relying on SSP means literally no pay was addressed poorly by the union as well. It hasn’t made a lot of difference in our office either. People are still going off sick, because, funnily enough, people get sick enough to not be able to work, especially with how nasty some of the seasonal viruses are right now.

Totally agree, plus going out in all the winter weather with the poor quality uniform where the coats leak after an hour of walking for 5 hours in the rain absolutely shameful our union agreeing to this, nothing in place for the worker after a week of rain and physically broken by the end of the week,drying rooms ineffective ,shoes that are not waterproof having to use your own electricity to dry them, with limits on uniform i mean a stormproof jacket (not stormproof)only allowed one once every 3 years,i could go on about our pathetic union caving in on everything but we all know its pointless they are finish ,even their special offers they bombard you with are a rip off. Its all about the money and the workers are the one's who are going to pay for it,our own worst enemies comes to mind.

[qwerty2]

Think a lot of football fans are gonna have to decide next year when later starts/finishes come in
what’s more important
Job or football???????????

[claretandblue]

Aren't we meant to find out soon what our start and finish times are going to be changing to ?

[LouBarlow]

Think a lot of football fans are gonna have to decide next year when later starts/finishes come in
what’s more important
Job or football???????????

Next year? Think yourself lucky, we have had Saturday finishes that make playing or watching football impossible for years now. It is strange to me that people are more worried about missing football than spending time with their families on a weekend, but I guess we all have different priorities in life.

[SMS1969]

It’s because the football would normally start at a set time, usually 3pm. You can organise seeing your family around your finish time, you can’t with football when later finishes arrive.

[profpieman]

I go to the football with my family

[Fannybaws]

People rushing around, starting early, cutting corners to get done early, is as much a reason for the mess we all find ourselves in now as anything RM or the CWU have done. The union have been banging on about doing the job properly for years now and people ignored it. You reap what you sow.

Completely agree. They warned everyone what was coming years ago when royal fail was after the "Dutch model" way of working and told everyone to work to time and don't cut corners or the walks would end up bigger. 15 years later and hey presto bigger walks and moral lower than whale droppings.

I sell a lot online and I swear not, 80 - 90% of what I send never gets scanned as delivered. People too lazy, or thick, to reach for their PDA and spend a bit of extra time scanning and all those scans and and time mount up over the course of a day/week/month, time that's not added to all the tracking and monitoring data they collect that they use to "revise" walks.

Like you said Lou, "You reap what you sow".

[qwerty2]

I go to the football with my family

You wont be when your getting home at 5pm on saturdays

[Runnerdan]

Think a lot of football fans are gonna have to decide next year when later starts/finishes come in
what’s more important
Job or football???????????

Next year? Think yourself lucky, we have had Saturday finishes that make playing or watching football impossible for years now. It is strange to me that people are more worried about missing football than spending time with their families on a weekend, but I guess we all have different priorities in life.

I’ve had a season ticket with my team since I was a young boy, you have to do things you enjoy in life else all you do is work. And I certainly won’t let a company like Royal Mail who doesn’t care whatsoever about me dictate what I do in life. So if the finish times effect this then I’ll be off, no worries..
If you was passionate about something you might understand what people are trying to say, if you aren’t into football then obviously you will find it odd.

[bertie]

As per the title, definitely yes at our place.

Had several (all senior) leave this year, roughly 15 percent.
Also some agency who you see for a few months then are replaced with other agency.

Master stroke of offering the redundancies last year to see how many seniors were looking to leave - I bet by now that has happened naturally.

RM / IDS just want us to be EVRI+ for a similar wage.

[LouBarlow]

Think a lot of football fans are gonna have to decide next year when later starts/finishes come in
what’s more important
Job or football???????????

Next year? Think yourself lucky, we have had Saturday finishes that make playing or watching football impossible for years now. It is strange to me that people are more worried about missing football than spending time with their families on a weekend, but I guess we all have different priorities in life.

I’ve had a season ticket with my team since I was a young boy, you have to do things you enjoy in life else all you do is work. And I certainly won’t let a company like Royal Mail who doesn’t care whatsoever about me dictate what I do in life. So if the finish times effect this then I’ll be off, no worries..
If you was passionate about something you might understand what people are trying to say, if you aren’t into football then obviously you will find it odd.

A fair point.