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LTB 258/23 - UNAGREED EXTENSION OF MY PERFORMANCE APP

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profpieman
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Re: LTB 258/23 - UNAGREED EXTENSION OF MY PERFORMANCE APP

Post by profpieman »

postslippete wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:55
profpieman wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:03

We all lost

Those with six figure salaries at the head of our union didn't lose even when they called us out on strike. Neither did the screws.
True, I stand corrected
postslippete
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clashcityrocker wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:56
postslippete wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 17:58
RM want to use it, not for H&S and to remind us how many dogs and slippery paths there are, but to monitor us and coach us on our performance just like Amazon do.
Can you name an employer who doesn't want to monitor their staff's performance?
Where, aside from the Premier League, can you be consistently useless at your job and still expect to bank your wages without comment?

Oh I dunno how about OfCom? Why are they not doing anything about USO failures? And like someone on here said - who's monitoring the managers performance? We have been failing the mail and the LATs for months but we were not consistently useless last year. You don't need to be on krypton factor to work out why.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Post by LouBarlow »

profpieman wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:03
LouBarlow wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 17:56
hans solo wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 14:22
Its all the yes people to blame
They opened the door
f***ing clowns
You lost. Get over it.
We all lost
Speak for yourself. I’m quite happy to still have a job on better pay.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

postslippete wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 19:22

Oh I dunno how about OfCom? Why are they not doing anything about USO failures? And like someone on here said - who's monitoring the managers performance? We have been failing the mail and the LATs for months but we were not consistently useless last year. You don't need to be on krypton factor to work out why.
That's just a load of whataboutary.
Just because there are multiple failures in the business doesn't mean they can't, won't or even shouldn't monitor employee performance.

The union's responsibility in this position is not to stop performance management, it is to make sure it is accurate, fair and transparent and applied equally to all.

The jury is out on that one, they are trying to have some input and influence but as I have already pointed out we're dealing with an employer that seems to be in self destruct mode.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Post by guardianangel »

postslippete wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:55
profpieman wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 18:03

We all lost

Those with six figure salaries at the head of our union didn't lose even when they called us out on strike. Neither did the screws.
:Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause
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Post by aiden01 »

mwalker88 wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 17:43
aiden01 wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 16:15
hans solo wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 14:22
Its all the yes people to blame
They opened the door
f***ing clowns
Do you ever post anything except abuse of people who voted yes.
Do you ever post anything that isn't aimed at antagonising genuine posters on here aiden01?

WTF is wrong with you?
Nowt wrong with me but why should i accept being called a f--king clown because i voted yes.actually thought i had you on my ignore list will make sure now :wave
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Post by postslippete »

Unfortunately Royal Mail are quite intransigent about this and they clearly haven't communicated it very well otherwise the subject topic wouldn't be called "Unagreed extension of my performance app".

RM need to be really clear on what data they are collecting and why otherwise they will lose the trust and goodwill of staff which is patently wearing thin. Totally agree with treating staff fairly. They need to get this right first otherwise it will just increase the prevalence of some of the behaviours that they are trying to prevent. I'm a firm believer that a happy workforce is a more productive one.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Post by TopperGas »

postslippete wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 21:12
Unfortunately Royal Mail are quite intransigent about this and they clearly haven't communicated it very well otherwise the subject topic wouldn't be called "Unagreed extension of my performance app".

RM need to be really clear on what data they are collecting and why otherwise they will lose the trust and goodwill of staff which is patently wearing thin. Totally agree with treating staff fairly. They need to get this right first otherwise it will just increase the prevalence of some of the behaviours that they are trying to prevent. I'm a firm believer that a happy workforce is a more productive one.
The data they are collecting, or at least using, is shown on the app? Basically it's 1st time delivery %, SISO and the usual Trimble stats. If you're a non driver on a duty you can deliver most of your tracked easily each day then your laughing!!
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Post by Jb1969 »

Agree with the “self destruct mode” Woody, from what I see & people I talk to retention is a big issue.New starters don’t tend to hang around for long, add the senior guys/girls with experience leaving too & we have what we got now, extremely poor quality of service.
Most of this is of course designed by Senior Management to lower the labour costs, however it cannot be to the point where we are now?
Was it always their intention to ignore the USO, to effectively break the law, it must be or has it gone so tits up as to get to that self destruct button?
Are we now to become a company that relies solely on a high turnover of staff, because quality will never increase?
Xmas is going to be a disaster, might as well press that button now!!
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Post by postslippete »

TopperGas wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 21:17

The data they are collecting, or at least using, is shown on the app? Basically it's 1st time delivery %, SISO and the usual Trimble stats. If you're a non driver on a duty you can deliver most of your tracked easily each day then your laughing!!

Oh, I thought it was also things like having a negative attitude or for having 'disagreements' with the com over the workloads (that's me screwed!) for which you get a purple badge. Pls don't get me started on non-drivers as some of them don't realise how good it is.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Post by enskied »

Once Thier was a union. It has now swallowed itself, gnawed the fat from the bones and left us behind. Morphed into a leach and sucking the blood. It has nothing to offer.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:05
Once Thier was a union. It has now swallowed itself, gnawed the fat from the bones and left us behind. Morphed into a leach and sucking the blood. It has nothing to offer.
If you feel that strongly leave the union and you know... move on and fight your own battles.
If you've already left to be fair it's really none of your business.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Re: LTB 258/23 - UNAGREED EXTENSION OF MY PERFORMANCE APP

Post by enskied »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:18
enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:05
Once Thier was a union. It has now swallowed itself, gnawed the fat from the bones and left us behind. Morphed into a leach and sucking the blood. It has nothing to offer.
If you feel that strongly leave the union and you know... move on and fight your own battles.
If you've already left to be fair it's really none of your business.
I have left Woody and it is still my business, because the s**t they do affects my work.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:21
Woody Guthrie wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:18
enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:05
Once Thier was a union. It has now swallowed itself, gnawed the fat from the bones and left us behind. Morphed into a leach and sucking the blood. It has nothing to offer.
If you feel that strongly leave the union and you know... move on and fight your own battles.
If you've already left to be fair it's really none of your business.
I have left Woody and it is still my business, because the s**t they do affects my work.
No it doesn't.
The s**t Royal Mail does affects your work.
But keep blaming the union if it makes you feel better.
Only dead fish follow the current
enskied
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Re: LTB 258/23 - UNAGREED EXTENSION OF MY PERFORMANCE APP

Post by enskied »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:27
enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:21
Woody Guthrie wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:18
enskied wrote:
18 Oct 2023, 22:05
Once Thier was a union. It has now swallowed itself, gnawed the fat from the bones and left us behind. Morphed into a leach and sucking the blood. It has nothing to offer.
If you feel that strongly leave the union and you know... move on and fight your own battles.
If you've already left to be fair it's really none of your business.
I have left Woody and it is still my business, because the s**t they do affects my work.
No it doesn't.
The s**t Royal Mail does affects your work.
But keep blaming the union if it makes you feel better.
20 years in Woody. "The union " kept on saying let them , it fail .
It's an inactive union. But it is our fault because we let the lazy bastard's get away with it.