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LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS
No. 238/23

22nd September 2023

Dear Colleagues

TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

Branches and members will be aware as part of the changes to the Attendance Agreement in the Business Recovery, Transformation & Growth (BRT&G) Agreement, from 1st August 2023, attendance reviews will be discussed at the return to work (RTW) meeting and the manager will decide whether the absence will be counted towards the attendance review.

We have been discussing with Royal Mail how we deal with absences which occurred prior to 1st August 2023. Any member who has an attendance review meeting which includes any absence prior to 1st August, will be invited to a transitional attendance review meeting. This is necessary as not all absences during the last 12 months will have been validated i.e. counted or not counted towards the Attendance Standards. Therefore, an attendance review notification could include these non validated absences.

The process to be used will be the same process prior to the transition. Members will be sent a letter, inviting them to a transitional attendance review meeting to discuss these absences. For clarity, you will be entitled to CWU Representation at these meetings. Line Managers have been informed of the above process.

Following the meeting, your line manager should confirm in writing whether these absences will count towards the Attendance Standards.

Any enquiries to this LTB please contact: The PTCS Department reference 312, email address: khay@cwu.org.

Yours sincerely,

Carl Maden

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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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Didn't state as previously stated, that prior to 1st April 2023 absenses don't count , unless the rules have changed again!
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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would be useful if someone can clear up where we are ... which previous absences in the last 12 months count and which don't
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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stevejm wrote:
27 Sep 2023, 10:39
would be useful if someone can clear up where we are ... which previous absences in the last 12 months count and which don't
That's the point of the transitional review meeting, you are invite to a meeting where you will be told what the absences are, if you have any mitigation etc. Then the manager will make a decision if those absences count towards the review.
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CornishCracker wrote:
27 Sep 2023, 15:29
stevejm wrote:
27 Sep 2023, 10:39
would be useful if someone can clear up where we are ... which previous absences in the last 12 months count and which don't
That's the point of the transitional review meeting, you are invite to a meeting where you will be told what the absences are, if you have any mitigation etc. Then the manager will make a decision if those absences count towards the review.
Problem with Royal Mail is that you need to know the score before you have a meeting as you can't rely on them to be accurate and truthful during the meeting...
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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CornishCracker wrote:
27 Sep 2023, 15:29
stevejm wrote:
27 Sep 2023, 10:39
would be useful if someone can clear up where we are ... which previous absences in the last 12 months count and which don't
That's the point of the transitional review meeting, you are invite to a meeting where you will be told what the absences are, if you have any mitigation etc. Then the manager will make a decision if those absences count towards the review.
Why do we need to have an individual meeting unless our situation is different from the norm? What I was asking is what is the new normal since the end of industrial action. It can't be that difficult for RM and CWU to come to an agreement about the status of all absences in the year before August 1st - you would think anyway.
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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Wouldn't it have just been easier to just wipe the slate clean and discount previous absences before the 1st August 2023 and start afresh with the new attendance procedure from this point on?
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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postslippete wrote:
01 Oct 2023, 19:18
Wouldn't it have just been easier to just wipe the slate clean and discount previous absences before the 1st August 2023 and start afresh with the new attendance procedure from this point on?
Absolutely. When have RM ever done things the easy way though?
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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Nope.

Why should I be penalised when someone who takes the piss after a night on the piss.

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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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Probably not right thread but if you are suspended then sacked do you get any compensation or pay off????
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Re: LTB 238/23 - TRANSITIONAL ATTENDANCE REVIEW MEETINGS

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Grads75 wrote:
11 Oct 2023, 21:44
Probably not right thread but if you are suspended then sacked do you get any compensation or pay off????
No.