Royal Mail Spokesperson

[Jpro747]

This is the world we live in now; Trump, Brexit, Johnson and the tories have twisted our realities to the point where a company like Royal Mail can lie and gas light as they please, because this is what we are all used to now.

I have to agree. This is about the establishment painting a picture to the general public that the rich can do what they want without consequences. The media, politicians, CEOs. it’s all one big money making club and we’re not in it. The tools at the top of this company lied in court and nothing happened! Yet if you or I did that, we’d be looking at lengthy sentences. But the public will still vote for the same parties that have been screwing them over for centuries.

[flimflamman]

I read something the other day that managers are actually hiding mail and telling their bosses it has gone out! What's the point of that? It just makes the undo-able, appear do-able!

This happens in my office,walks are regularly left in,bags of mail are brought back,most D2D are never touched,and the manager reports the office is clear,any packets are cleared on overtime by a few of the new part-timers, most of who see delivering mail as an inconvenience,the current crop of managers are not up to the job and are way out of their depth and I know, thanks to my thirty plus years on delivery,that these managers have not got the brains to have thought this fiasco up themselves,this circus is cascaded down from the very top

[britwrit]

Not delivering letters for days is also bad business. It's the perfect way to advertise to every household in Britain that your company isn't reliable.

[stevejm]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

My point is we are all complicit in this corruption, that’s the bit that I don’t feel comfortable with. I definitely don’t go over or beyond for this company but I watch every single person in my unit including union rep prioritise parcels over mail every single day. Surly this lie needs addressed by someone.

How can we all be complicit in this corruption your paid for what your manager asks you deliver. Or whatever they prioritise in the mc not my problem just do as asked.

OK - Godwin's Law tipping point reached - security guards and other workers, even secretaries, at concentration camps used the "just following orders" defence - when they were brought to trial. It was never accepted as a defence. The same is true in other aspects of criminal law.

So it seems that using logic from legal precedent we are morally complicit in this subterfuge. We are accessories to deceit or subterfuge. Our defence might be that we are acting under duress.

[enskied]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

Is that really a Unionist response ? Is that the response of an empowered worker?

How low do you go.?

It is my response to someone who is clearly struggling with their mental health and working life balance. They should be prioritising that over anything else. Certainly more than giving a toss about what mail is and isn’t getting delivered. It isn’t a unionist response, it is a human one. I’d never suggest anyone puts their own emotional well-being behind either this job or the union.

You are cham/ fake/false . You are not a delivery postie.

[enskied]

Exactly. It's not right.

[LouBarlow]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

Is that really a Unionist response ? Is that the response of an empowered worker?

How low do you go.?

It is my response to someone who is clearly struggling with their mental health and working life balance. They should be prioritising that over anything else. Certainly more than giving a toss about what mail is and isn’t getting delivered. It isn’t a unionist response, it is a human one. I’d never suggest anyone puts their own emotional well-being behind either this job or the union.

You are cham/ fake/false . You are not a delivery postie.

Yawn. Such a boring response usually from someone who has nothing whatsoever to contribute and merely exists on this forum to drag topics off the subject. I would have thought the recent banning would have encouraged you to behave a little better on here. Alas it does not seem to be the case.

[postslippete]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

Is that really a Unionist response ? Is that the response of an empowered worker?

How low do you go.?

It is my response to someone who is clearly struggling with their mental health and working life balance. They should be prioritising that over anything else. Certainly more than giving a toss about what mail is and isn’t getting delivered. It isn’t a unionist response, it is a human one. I’d never suggest anyone puts their own emotional well-being behind either this job or the union.

If people are suffering with their mental health and working life balance then Royal Mail should be the last place they work for as they will have likely created most of the issues!!

Let's examine them... short staffing due to cutbacks, an ever-increasing workload, inflexible hours, then arguments/disagreements with your manager over workloads which then leads to bullying. Just turning up on time and doing what is asked of you is all well and good - as long as you are prepared to work over your time to get it all done. If you want to bring some of it back that's where the problems usually start. You do realise that managers go on bullying courses ffs!! Some of them throw the conduct code around like confetti. And unfortunately, many Royal Mail workplaces are absolutely toxic with discrimination, inequality, unfairness and favouritism.

[LouBarlow]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

Is that really a Unionist response ? Is that the response of an empowered worker?

How low do you go.?

It is my response to someone who is clearly struggling with their mental health and working life balance. They should be prioritising that over anything else. Certainly more than giving a toss about what mail is and isn’t getting delivered. It isn’t a unionist response, it is a human one. I’d never suggest anyone puts their own emotional well-being behind either this job or the union.

If people are suffering with their mental health and working life balance then Royal Mail should be the last place they work for as they will have likely created most of the issues!!

Let's examine them... short staffing due to cutbacks, an ever-increasing workload, inflexible hours, then arguments/disagreements with your manager over workloads which then leads to bullying. Just turning up on time and doing what is asked of you is all well and good - as long as you are prepared to work over your time to get it all done. If you want to bring some of it back that's where the problems usually start. You do realise that managers go on bullying courses ffs!! Some of them throw the conduct code around like confetti. And unfortunately, many Royal Mail workplaces are absolutely toxic with discrimination, inequality, unfairness and favouritism.

This is where people need to change their mindset, and why the constant union bashing on here is not helpful. Grab your union rep, and any interaction with management, in regard working your hours, should be done with their assistance - if your rep is not available, or is hopeless, get on to your area rep. If you are being bullied or harassed, again, take it further using the established framework for disputes.

It is amazing that people can be so bolshy on here, yet when faced with a bit of push back from management in the workplace, they fold immediately. Make use of the support networks that still exist, if not locally, then just phone your area union rep up and get him on it. Local reps can be hopeless, but area reps less likely to be, as they are elected by a wider blanket of voters and will definitely try harder on your behalf.

[postslippete]

This is where people need to change their mindset, and why the constant union bashing on here is not helpful. Grab your union rep, and any interaction with management, in regard working your hours, should be done with their assistance - if your rep is not available, or is hopeless, get on to your area rep. If you are being bullied or harassed, again, take it further using the established framework for disputes.

It is amazing that people can be so bolshy on here, yet when faced with a bit of push back from management in the workplace, they fold immediately. Make use of the support networks that still exist, if not locally, then just phone your area union rep up and get him on it. Local reps can be hopeless, but area reps less likely to be, as they are elected by a wider blanket of voters and will definitely try harder on your behalf.

The Union reps a chocolate teapot. He even admitted being a rep so that he could get time away from doing deliveries. Not all of us are manager's wet wipes though and one thing is for definite since the agreement, the union are not representing the workers, they are working with the management.

All that waffle you put about local reps, area reps and the established framework. There are part-timers who are still working full-time on overtime for years and can't get a full-time contract even though they have spoken with these Area reps and put in grievances/disagreements. There are posties who have jumped on fixed duties that have never been advertised and we have always been promised a re-pick - even though that was three years ago! I've heard managers telling young people that they couldn't have a f**ing break. Morale is rock bottom and tbh even the COMs now can't be bothered when posties remind them that they will be leaving 4 or 5 loops today.

Just as long as you take all the Tracked

[mafiaman]

That's the union these days turning a blind I the quicker these so called union bosses resign the better.Im Gona gladly take this money owed to me .But if this lot stay in willnnever strike again and walk straight passed any picket line no problem

[POSTMAN]

I miss our Sal.

[Seymour Buts]

Just turn up on time, do what is asked of you then go home and don’t give the job another thought. If you start worrying about every minutia of this job now, you will go mad with stress. As you say, it is beyond corrupt now and concerned with prioritising profit over performance and wellbeing of staff, so just look after yourself and ignore everything else. It is just a job.

My point is we are all complicit in this corruption, that’s the bit that I don’t feel comfortable with. I definitely don’t go over or beyond for this company but I watch every single person in my unit including union rep prioritise parcels over mail every single day. Surly this lie needs addressed by someone.

How can we all be complicit in this corruption your paid for what your manager asks you deliver. Or whatever they prioritise in the mc not my problem just do as asked.

OK - Godwin's Law tipping point reached - security guards and other workers, even secretaries, at concentration camps used the "just following orders" defence - when they were brought to trial. It was never accepted as a defence. The same is true in other aspects of criminal law.

So it seems that using logic from legal precedent we are morally complicit in this subterfuge. We are accessories to deceit or subterfuge. Our defence might be that we are acting under duress.

You comparing leaving letters in a frame to the holocaust?

A guy in our office went on a one man crusade against this, and was bringing tracked back instead of mail. He nearly ended up getting sacked. Doing parcels is a reasonable request; just do it. Yes, we all know it is outright lies when they say parcels are not prioritised, but all that is way above our paygrades and ain't worth the agro of arguing. And let's be fair, I'm quite lazy and running parcels is far easier than walking 15 or 20 miles.

[enskied]

Aiden doesn't have a clue in delivery. That's why he's afraid of it.

[postslippete]

You comparing leaving letters in a frame to the holocaust?

A guy in our office went on a one man crusade against this, and was bringing tracked back instead of mail. He nearly ended up getting sacked. Doing parcels is a reasonable request; just do it. Yes, we all know it is outright lies when they say parcels are not prioritised, but all that is way above our paygrades and ain't worth the agro of arguing. And let's be fair, I'm quite lazy and running parcels is far easier than walking 15 or 20 miles.

I've never heard of Godwin's law but Royal Mail are certainly working Sod's Law.


Prioritising the parcels over the letters is great but it doesn't solve anything if they are not getting the post delivered on a daily basis. Even worse if it's all been tied up and taken for a ride only for it to go back in the frame again. I'm not lazy but its far easier to walk 10 miles than it is 15 or 20 the next day.