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General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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Dave Ward resurfacing at last.... trying to sort soap Delivery that yet again we will literally carry the business and burden.

No way Dave.
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WHOS HE ?? cannot even bring myself to listen to this useless prick any more - sold us down the river without a paddle !!!!!
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He says RM want to totally disregard letters. How are they not in jail by now, are we such a weak and corrupt country?
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enskied wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:27
heraldmoth wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:11
taurus88 wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 15:21
The problem with the decline in letters is that it doesn’t mean a decline in workload. We’ve all seen fewer letters come in, but the drop in call-rate has simply led to bigger walks. We’re probably now delivering to more houses but with fewer letters, while additionally the growth in packets has added to that. Going down to 5 days will just make the job harder, as your call-rate will increase on your walk that was added and added to as letters declined. Delivering 400 letters across 800 houses isn’t easier than delivering 400 letters across 400 houses.
It won’t make the job harder and there’s no commit to deliver. It will simply make sure there’s a minimum of 5 f days work being done because at the minute let’s face it there’s not 6 days of mail anywhere if you take away sick leave and staffing shortages, and for all the people hoping for a 4 day week I’d be surprised if Saturday parcel shifts are less than 10hrs
There isn't a staffing shortage. There is a refusal to recruit staff .
Same thing but while ppl still work for free why would you hire
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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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PostalWorker13 wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:31
:neutral:
theotherone wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 14:57
Unless I'm being totally daft here how does going to a 5 day USO help the problem?
It doesn't reduce the amount of letters but gives us less time to deliver them?
If there is such a decline in letters why is the USO so bad?
Cut the letters save at least 225m which I imagine will go straight back reinstating a dividend firstly.
It won’t help. If for example we stopped delivering mail on Saturdays, it would just mean that we were coming in to double mail on a Monday morning. This would mean you’d fail to complete on the Monday and be playing catch up all week on what are already impossible duties to complete for a lot of people.

I fail every day with one days mail, never mind two.
Correct
They have and are systematically destroying the whole business and workforce
Aided by CWU capitulation
Government should withdraw the license to operate
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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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heraldmoth wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:49
enskied wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:27
heraldmoth wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:11
taurus88 wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 15:21
The problem with the decline in letters is that it doesn’t mean a decline in workload. We’ve all seen fewer letters come in, but the drop in call-rate has simply led to bigger walks. We’re probably now delivering to more houses but with fewer letters, while additionally the growth in packets has added to that. Going down to 5 days will just make the job harder, as your call-rate will increase on your walk that was added and added to as letters declined. Delivering 400 letters across 800 houses isn’t easier than delivering 400 letters across 400 houses.
It won’t make the job harder and there’s no commit to deliver. It will simply make sure there’s a minimum of 5 f days work being done because at the minute let’s face it there’s not 6 days of mail anywhere if you take away sick leave and staffing shortages, and for all the people hoping for a 4 day week I’d be surprised if Saturday parcel shifts are less than 10hrs
There isn't a staffing shortage. There is a refusal to recruit staff .
Same thing but while ppl still work for free why would you hire
Well I suppose it will all get sorted once Aiden is deployed on delivery .
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Spartacus wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:19
Give RM a 5 day obligation to deliver letters and they'll ask for 4, then they'll ask for 3, until letters are delivered once or twice a week.
That is exactly how it will end. If they think they can get away with it once they will do it again and keep trying till they do.
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OFCOM are compliant with all this.
They rely on Royal Mail telling them the truth. Imagine that... despite what they must have observed during the Parliamentary committee .liars reporting to the lazy.

Enough pictures have been sent to them of wofully failing offices. However the look at what Royal Mail send them.
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tramssirhc wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 16:52
full interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPw-TROOwfk
I see the comments on the video are turned off. :arrrghhh

Halfway in and so far a lot of Dave shrugging and saying he's sympathetic but he can't do much. It just seems like a load of waffling without one solid idea about what the CWU is going to do next. They don't seem to have a clue what to do. I wish they did, but they don't.

"We need to see..."; "we need to talk..."; "we need to..." - it's all future tense without much of a clue what they are going to do.

It's all a bit hopeless really.
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jahbalon wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 12:47
POSTMAN wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 11:39
The USO as it stands is dead in the water. There has to be imminent change otherwise the company will die.

Letters are dead, they are not coming back, and I agree with Royal Mail that parcels are the current future.
I smell a backstabbing manager :cuppa
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Future union leader after uso sorted?.
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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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enskied wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 18:06
OFCOM are compliant with all this.
They rely on Royal Mail telling them the truth. Imagine that... despite what they must have observed during the Parliamentary committee .liars reporting to the lazy.

Enough pictures have been sent to them of wofully failing offices. However the look at what Royal Mail send them.
One of the main things i took was he admitted Ofcom are useless to us in this
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Re: General Secretary Dave Ward on the universal service obligation.

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tramssirhc wrote:
11 Sep 2023, 15:40
CWU policy is a 6 day USO and renationalisation of the postal industry. If anyone wants to change that they best get along to conference and change the policy of the Union.
But dave the traitor wants to change to 5 days :arrrghhh
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It's obvious that RM are actively discouraging people from posting 1st class letters (that are supposedly to be delivered the next day)
by increasing the price of 1st class stamp to 1.25 BUT not increasing 2nd class.

People will not want to pay that and will pay for 2nd class instead. So 1st class will decline and so the requirement for a Saturday
1st class USO letter delivery will massively reduce.