LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1

[pieoftheday]

yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .

I'm not a rep but if you have a week booked off between now and xmas you'll still get a week off

RM said that nobody would lose out on leave already booked, nothing was said about about unbooked leave allowance

I can see your point, I dont trust them either, I had just over 7hrs and now have 5, how on earth can I use 5 hrs?

[A2B]

We lost out when RM changed from days to hours and now we are going to lose out again, lovely company to work for

[worktotime]

yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .

I'm not a rep but if you have a week booked off between now and xmas you'll still get a week off

RM said that nobody would lose out on leave already booked, nothing was said about about unbooked leave allowance

I can see your point, I dont trust them either, I had just over 7hrs and now have 5, how on earth can I use 5 hrs?

i know i will still get the week off , but i am on about the extra 2 hours - 31 mins they have taken off my leave for that week .

[worktotime]

We lost out when RM changed from days to hours and now we are going to lose out again, lovely company to work for

thanks dave , andy what a cracking deal with even more to shaft your wage paying members with .

[worktotime]

Yep 5 hours here, will the CWU be doing anything about it?

f***ing hell , you need to find them first

[yellowbelly]

yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .

This was in the FAQ's, whether it can be sorted now or it has to wait until the end of the leave year, who knows...?

18 How will this work in the first year of the
scheme, if all our leave has already been booked into the PSP
system?

There will be no change to your booked and planned annual
leave under Seasonal Variation. For the annual leave year of
2023 to March 2024, if there is any deficit in your annual leave
balance caused by Seasonal Variation, then this will be waived,
so you do not lose out.

[worktotime]

yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .

This was in the FAQ's, whether it can be sorted now or it has to wait until the end of the leave year, who knows...?

18 How will this work in the first year of the
scheme, if all our leave has already been booked into the PSP
system?

There will be no change to your booked and planned annual
leave under Seasonal Variation. For the annual leave year of
2023 to March 2024, if there is any deficit in your annual leave
balance caused by Seasonal Variation, then this will be waived,
so you do not lose out.

one word TRUST , and no i dont

[A2B]

I think you'll be fine with getting hours back for booked leave unbooked leave might be a different story

[TopperGas]

I think you'll be fine with getting hours back for booked leave unbooked leave might be a different story

Unbooked rather than booked leave is surely the issue, as if you've booked leave you now stand to gain upto 5 hours leave against somebody who hasn't, how is that fair? Staff should have been told to book all their annual leave or risk losing hours if they didn't when the new changes were introduced.

[Dexydog]

If you have leave already booked you get extra time taken OFF your
entitlement.
If full time, 2 hours for every week booked.
What was 37 hours now shows as 39.
Unbooked leave I'm not sure.
The issue is, does it even out next year, or does it start again from next year meaning you're losing leave allocation this leave year.
Everyone needs to check and make a noise about this.

[world class male]

If you have leave already booked you get extra time taken OFF your
entitlement.
If full time, 2 hours for every week booked.
What was 37 hours now shows as 39.
Unbooked leave I'm not sure.
The issue is, does it even out next year, or does it start again from next year meaning you're losing leave allocation this leave year.
Everyone needs to check and make a noise about this.

NO!
we were told any pre-booked leave discrepancies would be waved until next april
they cannot move the goalposts

[SMS1969]

yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .

I'm not a rep but if you have a week booked off between now and xmas you'll still get a week off

RM said that nobody would lose out on leave already booked, nothing was said about about unbooked leave allowance

I can see your point, I dont trust them either, I had just over 7hrs and now have 5, how on earth can I use 5 hrs?

You can’t,all you can do is get them to pay you 5 extra hours to make it zero. No one saw this coming.

[Dexydog]

Union needs to be all over this.
Rep on here posted the quoted q and a text in reply to another concerned poster.
Like it's been dealt with and not to worry.
Silence since.

[SpacePhoenix]

I think you'll be fine with getting hours back for booked leave unbooked leave might be a different story

Unbooked rather than booked leave is surely the issue, as if you've booked leave you now stand to gain upto 5 hours leave against somebody who hasn't, how is that fair? Staff should have been told to book all their annual leave or risk losing hours if they didn't when the new changes were introduced.

If someone had all their leave booked for this financial year and the changes mean they use more leave then their allocation, unless there's some sort of manual adjustment PSP will just dock it from their allocation for the next financial year

[Binsey]

God help Network/Distribution/Mail Centres when it’s their turn.