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LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
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LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
No. 222/23
Date 1st September 2023
Dear Colleagues,
Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation – 4th September 2023: RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement – Appendix 1
Branches, Representatives, and members will recall that a number of LTBs (Letter To Branches) have recently been issued in terms of moving forward the commitments contained in the Business Transformation, Recovery and Growth Agreement in relation to Appendix 1, Seasonal Variation, the most recent being LTB 213/23 issued on 21st August.
However, you will also be aware that over the course of last week, there had been widespread speculation that the planned changes under Seasonal Variation as outlined in these LTBs would be delayed until October and limited to 9 weeks.
To be clear, this speculation was started by Royal Mail who did initiate an approach to the CWU on possible options to delay the development of Seasonal Variation due to some concerns in regard to forecasted traffic levels over the next few weeks. However, following further talks, Royal Mail has moved away from this consideration as it has now been highlighted that any changes in the commencement date of Seasonal Variation at such short notice will generate a number of systems issues that in turn could impact on the accuracy of employee’s basic pay.
However, during this period of discussions both parties have agreed to the attached Joint Communication which reaffirms a number of key aspects of Seasonal Variation.
Clearly, this period of ongoing conjecture has not been a helpful development nor has the delay in issuing this Joint Communication. However, it is now hoped that this further clarification will end any remaining confusion in this regard, alongside reaffirming the wider aims and aspects of Seasonal Variation.
Any issues arising from the local application of Seasonal Variation should be raised via the IR Framework and any questions on the interpretation or application of the arrangements should be fast-tracked to the relevant ROD/CWU Divisional Reps as necessary.
Any queries to the content of the above please contact the Outdoor Department reference 532, email address: njones@cwu.org
Yours sincerely,
Mark Baulch
CWU Assistant Secretary
Joint Communication clean link...
https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 010923.pdf
No. 222/23
Date 1st September 2023
Dear Colleagues,
Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation – 4th September 2023: RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement – Appendix 1
Branches, Representatives, and members will recall that a number of LTBs (Letter To Branches) have recently been issued in terms of moving forward the commitments contained in the Business Transformation, Recovery and Growth Agreement in relation to Appendix 1, Seasonal Variation, the most recent being LTB 213/23 issued on 21st August.
However, you will also be aware that over the course of last week, there had been widespread speculation that the planned changes under Seasonal Variation as outlined in these LTBs would be delayed until October and limited to 9 weeks.
To be clear, this speculation was started by Royal Mail who did initiate an approach to the CWU on possible options to delay the development of Seasonal Variation due to some concerns in regard to forecasted traffic levels over the next few weeks. However, following further talks, Royal Mail has moved away from this consideration as it has now been highlighted that any changes in the commencement date of Seasonal Variation at such short notice will generate a number of systems issues that in turn could impact on the accuracy of employee’s basic pay.
However, during this period of discussions both parties have agreed to the attached Joint Communication which reaffirms a number of key aspects of Seasonal Variation.
Clearly, this period of ongoing conjecture has not been a helpful development nor has the delay in issuing this Joint Communication. However, it is now hoped that this further clarification will end any remaining confusion in this regard, alongside reaffirming the wider aims and aspects of Seasonal Variation.
Any issues arising from the local application of Seasonal Variation should be raised via the IR Framework and any questions on the interpretation or application of the arrangements should be fast-tracked to the relevant ROD/CWU Divisional Reps as necessary.
Any queries to the content of the above please contact the Outdoor Department reference 532, email address: njones@cwu.org
Yours sincerely,
Mark Baulch
CWU Assistant Secretary
Joint Communication clean link...
https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 010923.pdf
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
Am I reading this right?
Royal Mail were after delaying the introduction of Seasonal Variation where us posties are working 2 hours extra a week for no extra pay, but the Union officials insisted that it starts today?
The Union officials who haven't seen a letter in the last 10 years, never mind delivered one.
Sums it all up really

Royal Mail were after delaying the introduction of Seasonal Variation where us posties are working 2 hours extra a week for no extra pay, but the Union officials insisted that it starts today?
The Union officials who haven't seen a letter in the last 10 years, never mind delivered one.
Sums it all up really
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
And for the pleasure of coming in early for nothing I have lost 3hours off of my leave allocation next cunning plan will be i will pay Royal Mail to come to work

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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
Yep 5 hours here, will the CWU be doing anything about it?
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
Not sure it reads that way, it seems the CWU were discussing the changes when RM then realised the pay system couldn't cope. So basically we're now working 2 hours a week extra for a month for no real reason!poptart wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 13:30Am I reading this right?
Royal Mail were after delaying the introduction of Seasonal Variation where us posties are working 2 hours extra a week for no extra pay, but the Union officials insisted that it starts today?
The Union officials who haven't seen a letter in the last 10 years, never mind delivered one.
Sums it all up really![]()
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
If an Employment Law Specialist looked at this, I'm sure they would deem it to be illegal.
The CWU should be challenging this utter bs
The CWU should be challenging this utter bs
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
Is this awful term going to rear it's even uglier head more often and if so what have they got in their power to do ? Can you be sacked if you actually are too slow ? I'm getting on a bit now I ache daily I'm certainly slower than say 10 years ago.noggin1969 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 16:39"Reduce the need for outdoor lapsing and absorption" all our early O/T sorting gone, so IPS took longer, then extra lapsing added. One of the lads pointed out he was getting out no earlier due to the extra IPS, so wouldn't have time for extra lapsing and was told it was a personal performance issue then![]()
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
I'm not a rep but if you have a week booked off between now and xmas you'll still get a week offworktotime wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 18:27yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
Yes but you loose a extra 2.5 hours per week, so 5 for me, if I'd used all my leave fine, but they've took 5 hours off me that I hadn't booked, so how's that right, leave was booked before this disgusting deal was bullied in
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Re: LTB 222/23 - Joint Communication Covering The National Rollout Of Seasonal Variation - 4th September 2023 : RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1
RM said that nobody would lose out on leave already booked, nothing was said about about unbooked leave allowancepieoftheday wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 18:31I'm not a rep but if you have a week booked off between now and xmas you'll still get a week offworktotime wrote: ↑04 Sep 2023, 18:27yeh , 2 hours 31 off my leave as well , i checked it today , maybe one of the cwu bodies could put the agreement up saying that pre booked leave this year should not be touched .