LTB 208/23 - RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement: Seasonal Variation (Exceptions Process)

[ted_e_bear]

Where and how do you fill in the form

Heres a link to the download that explains the process, it looks like you do it through your manager, err good luck.

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... iation.pdf

[LouBarlow]

Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?

It is both a change to the starting time and a longer day.
Anyone with caring responsibilities may have difficulties.

Someone caring for a person who goes to a special school may need to be the person to drop them off and/ or collect them. These changes may impact on the employee and a person with a disability.

Anyone who cares for anyone, should that be a parent, partner or friend will understand the huge problems that small changes can make.

Unless you are a person caring for someone it can be difficult to appreciate this.

I didn’t realise that people were dropping off children, or other people they care for, at such early hours already. I can appreciate parents and other carers having to make arrangements for both dropping off and picking up children, but I didn’t appreciate that twenty minutes earlier, when you are talking early hours anyway, would change that much. Thanks for the explanation.

To be honest, this exception is likely to be a bandaid on a gushing wound as the hours change in March will completely mess up these people’s plans anyway. 60-90 minute changes will definitely cause upheaval.

[hazzeem025]

Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.

So by spring/summer we'll have worked a week for free. Er how exactly does that work for us? Do we ever get those hours back? And if not how is it legal? And why didn't the CWU see this coming? Or are they okay with us working a week for nothing. I'm sure Dave Ward wouldn't work a week for f**k all.

[k979aaa]

Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.

So by spring/summer we'll have worked a week for free. Er how exactly does that work for us? Do we ever get those hours back? And if not how is it legal? And why didn't the CWU see this coming? Or are they okay with us working a week for nothing. I'm sure Dave Ward wouldn't work a week for f**k all.

Just wait till next year and the system has lost all data of hours capture and you will be made to work till you drop!

[ted_e_bear]

Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?

It is both a change to the starting time and a longer day.
Anyone with caring responsibilities may have difficulties.

Someone caring for a person who goes to a special school may need to be the person to drop them off and/ or collect them. These changes may impact on the employee and a person with a disability.

Anyone who cares for anyone, should that be a parent, partner or friend will understand the huge problems that small changes can make.

Unless you are a person caring for someone it can be difficult to appreciate this.

I didn’t realise that people were dropping off children, or other people they care for, at such early hours already. I can appreciate parents and other carers having to make arrangements for both dropping off and picking up children, but I didn’t appreciate that twenty minutes earlier, when you are talking early hours anyway, would change that much. Thanks for the explanation.

To be honest, this exception is likely to be a bandaid on a gushing wound as the hours change in March will completely mess up these people’s plans anyway. 60-90 minute changes will definitely cause upheaval.

Yeah I agree, it's more like a token gesture, the example I gave earlier about the guy at our place will be naturally taken care of in march, as you say that's when the proverbial will hit.

[worktotime]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

[k979aaa]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

17 weeks ie first week monday after christmas.

[worktotime]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

17 weeks ie first week monday after christmas.

but is there a ltb on when it starts and finishes and as far as i know it was 15 weeks free work for this tax year , maybe one of the pec could give us a clue , martin walsh give us a clue please.

[Hyrrokkin]

Why would you need an exception from starting work 24 minutes earlier in the morning?

It is both a change to the starting time and a longer day.
Anyone with caring responsibilities may have difficulties.

Someone caring for a person who goes to a special school may need to be the person to drop them off and/ or collect them. These changes may impact on the employee and a person with a disability.

Anyone who cares for anyone, should that be a parent, partner or friend will understand the huge problems that small changes can make.

Unless you are a person caring for someone it can be difficult to appreciate this.

He is just trying to get a rise - it is his MO so to speak - he knows full well the various reasons why

[Flashman_]

Is there a form where we can fill in to be paid for the hours we work and not 8 months later,i'd like to be paid the extra 2 hours now and not left in Royal Mails bank getting interest,and next summer im quite happy to be paid for 35 hrs,this is a serious question for any union officials,will the union help me get paid for the hours worked as it is my legal right.

Same, now we're stuck with this, like you I'd much prefer to be paid for whatever I work.

I wonder what legal rights i would have if i refused the extra 2 hours unless i get paid ,and if i leave have whats owed me in cash not holiday.

This issue is the biggest personal reason I voted no. I believe it is illegal to do this as it amounts to an illegal deduction from wages as protected by the Employment rights act 1996. I even contacted the Union legal dept to see if they would help me fight it, but all I got was a phone call from one of the CWU executive telling me that as this was what the Union wanted, they would not help me fight it but I could get my own lawyers. Thanks CWU!
I plan on putting in a "working under protest" letter which means the company has to formally address the issue, or risk a constructive dismissal case.
As for the paying you back, if you leave. The CWU executive plainly spelled out that they would only pay anything owed if they could not give you equivalent leave within your notice period. In other words they have no default plan to pay in cash what may be owed.

[guardianangel]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

11th December should be the last week,that is the so called 14th week,my 24 minutes early will be taken up sat in school traffic cant wait getting a shorter working week next year for sitting in a van this year,these tools are not fit to run a modern delivery company.

[LouBarlow]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

11th December should be the last week,that is the so called 14th week,my 24 minutes early will be taken up sat in school traffic cant wait getting a shorter working week next year for sitting in a van this year,these tools are not fit to run a modern delivery company.

Is it designed to get us out earlier though? Surely the extra 24 minutes will be taken up on IPS and take away from overtime hours in the morning? I can’t see us leaving the office any earlier.

[TopperGas]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

11th December should be the last week,that is the so called 14th week,my 24 minutes early will be taken up sat in school traffic cant wait getting a shorter working week next year for sitting in a van this year,these tools are not fit to run a modern delivery company.

Is it designed to get us out earlier though? Surely the extra 24 minutes will be taken up on IPS and take away from overtime hours in the morning? I can’t see us leaving the office any earlier.

You couldn't make it up, one of the big reasons for the strikes was because RM want us working up to an hour plus later, now all FT'ers have to start 24 mins earlier, which probably means finishing at least 15/20 mins earlier.

[thefox]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

17 weeks ie first week monday after christmas.

but is there a ltb on when it starts and finishes and as far as i know it was 15 weeks free work for this tax year , maybe one of the pec could give us a clue , martin walsh give us a clue please.

There was something on here a couple weeks ago think it was woody put it up,it was week 24-38 for longer hours which is 15 weeks then 22 weeks at 37 hours then 15 weeks from may i think at 35 hours.

[LouBarlow]

is there a start and finish date nationally for this shite ? , as our dim has put the start date as the 4th Sept but no finish date , or has ward and co just f****d off .

11th December should be the last week,that is the so called 14th week,my 24 minutes early will be taken up sat in school traffic cant wait getting a shorter working week next year for sitting in a van this year,these tools are not fit to run a modern delivery company.

Is it designed to get us out earlier though? Surely the extra 24 minutes will be taken up on IPS and take away from overtime hours in the morning? I can’t see us leaving the office any earlier.

You couldn't make it up, one of the big reasons for the strikes was because RM want us working up to an hour plus later, now all FT'ers have to start 24 mins earlier, which probably means finishing at least 15/20 mins earlier.

I don’t see how you are going to finish earlier. The extra work is indoor work. You will still have the same finish time, until they all change next March of course.