LTB 194/23 - Royal Mail's Customer Service Points (CSP) - Further Advice to Branches and Members

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A no vote sends a message that we are not happy and can see the bigger picture. A yes vote is a submissive vote that allows runners and their ilk to continue on as they hve been with heads buried in the sand. you obviously have things too cushy or just dnt give a f**k about those around u. Over the past 18 months you have been click bait at best, I have been paying attention.

Sending a message with the goal of achieving what exactly? If you think more strike action was coming you are deluded. Neither side of the dispute wanted it, which is why we have the compromised agreement that the vast majority agreed to. Did the money offered help? Yep, it sure did, because most people go to work to earn money, funnily enough.

I’m sick of the bitterness of the no voters who thought they were in a majority. You lost. Get over it. Suck it up or f**k off and get another job.

Members voted to strike in the February reballot in a bigger majority and on a bigger turnout than the Yes vote on the deal. You seem to gloss over the union ignoring that majority (even though they asked for a Yes in the reballot) while focusing your ire on No voters displeased with the result of the deal ballot.

[Woody Guthrie]

Members voted to strike in the February reballot

No they didn't.
Members voted to give the union a strike mandate, there is a huge difference.
This was done to strengthen the union's negotiating position.
They were specifically told that mandate would produce an agreement, not lead to further industrial action.
Win the vote, win the dispute etc.

Nobody in their right mind believed that striking in March/April would achieve anything that strikes in November/December couldn't.

[markyRFC]

Nobody in their right mind believed that striking in March/April would achieve anything that strikes in November/December couldn't.

whilst i agree with you about the timing of striking especially at christmas, personally i think it was more the 1 day here 2 days there that had little to no impact, to many people were coming in early the day after striking, working their day off and going above and beyond.

IMO its should have been all out in december till we got a deal worth fist pumping for

[LouBarlow]

Nobody in their right mind believed that striking in March/April would achieve anything that strikes in November/December couldn't.

whilst i agree with you about the timing of striking especially at christmas, personally i think it was more the 1 day here 2 days there that had little to no impact, to many people were coming in early the day after striking, working their day off and going above and beyond.

IMO its should have been all out in december till we got a deal worth fist pumping for

You wouldn’t have had any support for it, seeing as we had already lost thousands of pounds by that point and people need to eat, heat their houses and preferably keep them. How many people working in this job do you think could afford an all out strike?

[Nickvilla20]

Nobody in their right mind believed that striking in March/April would achieve anything that strikes in November/December couldn't.

whilst i agree with you about the timing of striking especially at christmas, personally i think it was more the 1 day here 2 days there that had little to no impact, to many people were coming in early the day after striking, working their day off and going above and beyond.

IMO its should have been all out in december till we got a deal worth fist pumping for

You wouldn’t have had any support for it, seeing as we had already lost thousands of pounds by that point and people need to eat, heat their houses and preferably keep them. How many people working in this job do you think could afford an all out strike?

I could have probably done a week then I would have been in trouble and I’m fortunate that my wife is earning double my salary.

The majority were struggling with losing one or two days pays never mind the whole week.

[markyRFC]

The majority were struggling with losing one or two days pays never mind the whole week.

again i understand this, i more meaning that the 1 and 2 day strikes we did here and there had 0 effect, was a complete waste of time

we lost a couple of days pay that did absolutely nothing for us, doint it this way yes we would have lost more but we certainly would have gained more

[Woody Guthrie]

too many people were coming in early the day after striking, working their day off and going above and beyond.

IMO its should have been all out in december till we got a deal worth fist pumping for

And you believe that these too many people who came in early the day after striking, worked their day off and went above and beyond would have supported an all out strike?

Just like with the agreement ballot there is a mistaken belief that the membership of the CWU thinks along the same lines as our more militant members, that social media reflects the feeling of the whole group, that colleagues will even tell the truth about how they would vote and react.

It isn't unfortunately the case and the CWU has to make decisions based on that reality.

[markyRFC]

And you believe that these too many people who came in early the day after striking, worked their day off and went above and beyond would have supported an all out strike?

It isn't unfortunately the case and the CWU has to make decisions based on that reality.

i believe an all out strike would have been considerably better ( thats a presumption of course ) than what we have now which is a complete s**t show of a deal ( thats a fact )

unfortunately to many seen the carrot and were bribed, nothing about being militant its more alot will stand up for themselves than just bend over like some

[LouBarlow]

The majority were struggling with losing one or two days pays never mind the whole week.

again i understand this, i more meaning that the 1 and 2 day strikes we did here and there had 0 effect, was a complete waste of time

we lost a couple of days pay that did absolutely nothing for us, doint it this way yes we would have lost more but we certainly would have gained more

The only way this would have worked is having rolling days with each going out on consecutive days I.e drivers on Monday then processing on Tuesday then delivery on Wednesday etc but legal action prevented it.

Standing up for yourself is fine in principle, but it doesn’t feed people’s kids. I go to work to earn money and more of it is always welcome.

[markyRFC]

Standing up for yourself is fine in principle, but it doesn’t feed people’s kids. I go to work to earn money and more of it is always welcome.

neither does losing your job if your in the CSP or if your IHR has been halved, or picking them up never mind feeding them

yes we all go to work to earn money, does this mean that you didnt strike then?

[Woody Guthrie]

nothing about being militant its more alot will stand up for themselves than just bend over like some

The problem is that's based on your opinion of standing up and bending over.

All out strikes would in my opinion have been like handing them the lubricant.

That wouldn't have been standing up for myself or my members, it would have been leading them off a cliff.

[markyRFC]

That wouldn't have been standing up for myself or my members, it would have been leading them off a cliff.

and how many times have we have been miss lead by the CWU in the last few months? more like we were thrown off Everest

[scotchy1962]

And the yes men take over another thread and try to defend the indefensible.
You got a Yes vote, i know it, you know it and i fancy everybody else on this forum know it.
Apparently we have moved on, perhaps its time the rest of you did also.

[LouBarlow]

Standing up for yourself is fine in principle, but it doesn’t feed people’s kids. I go to work to earn money and more of it is always welcome.

neither does losing your job if your in the CSP or if your IHR has been halved, or picking them up never mind feeding them

yes we all go to work to earn money, does this mean that you didnt strike then?

Yes I was on strike. You were not stopping those with further strike action. The CWU knew that, which is why they come up with the deal we have all voted on, and some still can’t move on from.

I appreciate that everything going forward will be the fault of the yes voters though. Anything RM try to pull will be blamed on the agreement. That is fine as I remain convinced it was the best of two bad options.

And the yes men take over another thread and try to defend the indefensible.
You got a Yes vote, i know it, you know it and i fancy everybody else on this forum know it.
Apparently we have moved on, perhaps its time the rest of you did also.

Do you ever post anything meaningful instead of moaning all the time? How does your comment add anything constructive to the discussion?

[scotchy1962]

Hahaha, can nobody make a observation without your input? Do you feel the need to have your say anytime you feel slighted? Are you the only voice on here that is allowed to have the correct opinion?
I could go on but you aren't worth the effort.
You talk down to people like they are something that you have stepped in, yet complain at the insults.
When you decide to stop throwing the Yes vote in peoples faces you might get more respect.