season hours

[worktotime]

yes definitely should start in April 2024 wheres our lawyers

there sat in the companys back pocket .

[Mickeybrowneyes]

There is only mention of the later starts and finishes being from March next year. Seasonal variation is not mentioned is it?

No they are starting in September.
There should be a WTL about it soon.
Unfortunately they are starting this year

[LouBarlow]

There is only mention of the later starts and finishes being from March next year. Seasonal variation is not mentioned is it?

No they are starting in September.
There should be a WTL about it soon.
Unfortunately they are starting this year

That is what I meant. We were told about seasonal variations starting in September this morning, but the later finishes (and start times) are from March next year.

I know people are upset about doing more hours up front, but it makes sense for RM to do it that way, as if people leave during the longer week, they will pay them the extra they have worked, along with annual leave etc, whereas if you work the short weeks first, you could end up owing the company money if you leave.

[1560loopsayear]

Is it the later "last letter" finish times that are commencing in March 2024. Seasonal variation was always an amendment to your start times.

[Lapzio]

I understand if you stay long term you get the time back each summer , my question is , a full time leaving in say March of next year has worked 30 ish hours for no pay , Is there something in the agreement that if you leave you get that 30 ish hours paid ? , or given it as leave? , could someone in the know clarify pls , Woody ???

[Woody Guthrie]

When employees who work seasonal hours leave the business, a calculation will be performed to assess whether the employee is owed time from the business or owes time to the business.

Where the employee is owed time by the business, the first approach will be for the line manager to give this time back to the employee before their last day of service, in the form of leave. If this is not possible, or if the full time cannot be given back via these means, a balancing payment can be made to the employee (guidance notes on how to do this will be issued to the COMs). Where the employee owes time to the business, the business will generally attempt to recover from this for the employee’s last pay.

[clashcityrocker]

That is what I meant. We were told about seasonal variations starting in September this morning, but the later finishes (and start times) are from March next year.

I think you will find that as part of your local revision and in line with Network adjustments they will try and move your start time by 30 minutes before next March.

[Woody Guthrie]

Deployment approach-It is agreed that:

• In 2023 in advance of the Network Window change there will be no change to delivery duty start times relating to this project. Where there are managerial proposals to alter start times these must be supported by changes to local workload, or productivity changes and be subject to the full terms of the IR Framework

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[Clappedoutpostie]

I know people are upset about doing more hours up front, but it makes sense for RM to do it that way, as if people leave during the longer week, they will pay them the extra they have worked, along with annual leave etc, whereas if you work the short weeks first, you could end up owing the company money if you leave.

It makes sense for them as they are getting 10’s of thousands of hours labour with an iou attached, great for their cashflow but they have just been telling us they could go bankrupt.

[Mr Rush]

It is at the start of your duty.

So on the days it's deemed necessary to start 24/10 minutes early in High Season because a whole bunch of manual turned up and IPS has been reduced to one frame, how will we know to turn up early? If it's an early morning wake-up call from the LM they can forget it.

[Woody Guthrie]

It makes sense for them as they are getting 10’s of thousands of hours labour with an iou attached, great for their cashflow but they have just been telling us they could go bankrupt.

Are they actually going to get those hours though?
Not if the workload doesn't start picking up considerably. Unless you can efficiently transfer those 24 minutes from indoor to outdoor and provide enough workload it could just be a waste of time.

If your start times are already aligned to your mail arrival times what good will starting 24 minutes be, it could just mean people standing about doing nothing while they wait on the next van turning up, something called trapped costs.

At best it might kill a bit of early overtime but it really is a blunt tool.
Start 24 minutes earlier but do the same amount of work?
Sounds like a win?

[Woody Guthrie]

So on the days it's deemed necessary to start 24/10 minutes early in High Season because a whole bunch of manual turned up and IPS has been reduced to one frame, how will we know to turn up early? If it's an early morning wake-up call from the LM they can forget it.

Seasonal variation is not when deemed necessary, it's a fixed period.

[luddite]

We had our briefing today and told that seasonal variation begins this September. We were also told that it will be highly unlikely that we will start early as we won't have enough work to keep us busy between the lorry arrivals so the 24mins will be added to the end of our duties.

[Woody Guthrie]

And you guys said what?
The agreement is clear, it's at the beginning.

[luddite]

And you guys said what?
The agreement is clear, it's at the beginning.

What do you think we can say!!!
Our rep predicted this and was the reason he would not support this agreement.
Tell me what we should do?