LTB 191/23 - RMG/CWU Business Recovery, Transformation And Growth Agreement - Appendix 1, Seasonal Variation

[The Postman]

I didn't realise the seasonal variation for part timers was only 10 mins, why was that never mentioned previously as it's really hardly worth thinking about!

It was explained in detail in the agreement. I read the full agreement and that's why I voted 'no'. I was gonna explain it here but it seems alot of the yes voters didn't even bother to read the agreement, they just read the snippets that cwu and rm wanted you to read. So take the opportunity to read the full agreement whilst your looking for the section on annualised hours and it'll surprise you want people have signed up to. Still boggles my mind as to why so many voted yes.

[citypostie]

Lots will be losing 10 minutes break during the summer months . I just worked ours out and we will drop to 30 minutes on a Monday and a Saturday, we already are below 7 hours on a Tuesday so get 30 already. But in the longer months we are still below 7 on a Tuesday. That's alot of extra working time they are getting out of this just in our office, I can imagine round the country it will add up to a nice amount

[Mr Rush]

recruit posties

If not now, never. It's not like lapsed duties hadn't been partially failing for years before the pandemic let standards evaporate.

[DirtyHarry]

That a trade union has had a hand in bringing this s**t on us, is a sad indictment of the absolutely crazy time we are living in.
Get yourselves the hell out of the CWU.

[qwerty2]

I didn't realise the seasonal variation for part timers was only 10 mins, why was that never mentioned previously as it's really hardly worth thinking about!

I spent 10 minutes trying to get rid off 2 parcels
so it’s not gonna make much difference

[Judgee]

Most alarming thing I read in all that "for the next round of revisions.."

FFs they just taken 15% of the walks out of our office. Just how many more do they think they can cut???

Oh also very nice they are starting the longs and the shorts conveniently (for them) on the longer days period!

So glad people voted all this s**t in!

[BONCE1]

Yep crazy times we are living in, 24 mins more in winter and 24 less in the summer, absolutely mental

[TopperGas]

I didn't realise the seasonal variation for part timers was only 10 mins, why was that never mentioned previously as it's really hardly worth thinking about!

It was explained in detail in the agreement. I read the full agreement and that's why I voted 'no'. I was gonna explain it here but it seems alot of the yes voters didn't even bother to read the agreement, they just read the snippets that cwu and rm wanted you to read. So take the opportunity to read the full agreement whilst your looking for the section on annualised hours and it'll surprise you want people have signed up to. Still boggles my mind as to why so many voted yes.

I can't really see any p/t'er objecting to a just a 10 mins difference. This winter will be interesting if they want us to cover a f/t'er duty as they'll now have to pay us an extra 14 mins o/t.

[R5001]

You all realise this is 48 minutes difference between seasons right? The current hours will poof, it's one or the other of the new times at each half.

[Posthem]

I think I remember seeing In the agreement that it changes the start time and not the finish time, no mention of it on there though ??

[Woody Guthrie]

Seasonal variations is probably the dumbest part of the agreement and will probably be dumped or altered somewhere down the line.

I've not heard a frontline manager with a good word to say about it and most of them are worried about the impact it will have in the summer.

It's a very blunt resourcing tool.

Get everyone in early in the winter and hope mail volumes are high enough to sustain those extra hours?

Have everyone working a shorter day in the Summer and hope it isn't too busy?

It smacks of desperation, from our point of view it isn't that big a deal as it stands.
The problem is how long it stands and what Seasonal Variations 2.0 looks like. That's more of a worry.

The union did well to get flexible hours off the table but I think it will be back because that is how you really do seasonal variations.

[worktotime]

so we will be working 30 hours for FREE this tax year then , what another f***ing cracking deal just like the attendance policy , they should change there name to the crumbling workers union , im glad im out .

[Woody Guthrie]

so we will be working 30 hours for FREE this tax year then

Only the members who don’t finish early.
I suppose on this site that's everyone.

[funkflex55]

Had a look at the documents and cannot see when the hours are changed. As in do we start earlier or finish earlier or start later or finish later? And the 10 minutes change for a part timer is going to make so little difference it's pointless. A bit like this whole BS idea..

[Woody Guthrie]

Had a look at the documents and cannot see when the hours are changed. As in do we start earlier or finish earlier or start later or finish later? And the 10 minutes change for a part timer is going to make so little difference it's pointless. A bit like this whole BS idea..

They've been very sneaky in not explicitly saying where the variation is however in the Q&A section it says..

There will be no change to your finishing time under Seasonal Variation, apart from in summer when you will finish 10 minutes earlier, this will apply to all FT and PT OPGs.