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Family Friendly Duties

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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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guardianangel wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 09:02
There will be no family friendly hours for school pick ups you'll have to use after school facilities and pay like the rest of society,a guy in our place has just been refused family friendly and his child has a disability,so anyone who thinks royal mail will do it for school pick ups are sadly delusional,you have 8 months to find another job or sort out child care,they want you to leave for free its all in the master plan.
I've a funny feeling the starting times will be moved sooner than some think.

They didn't keep to the agreement on lump sums and pay, they won't here either.

CWU are a busted flush unfortunately
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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markyRFC wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 09:08
guardianangel wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 09:02
There will be no family friendly hours for school pick ups you'll have to use after school facilities and pay like the rest of society,a guy in our place has just been refused family friendly and his child has a disability,so anyone who thinks royal mail will do it for school pick ups are sadly delusional,you have 8 months to find another job or sort out child care,they want you to leave for free its all in the master plan.
I've a funny feeling the starting times will be moved sooner than some think.

They didn't keep to the agreement on lump sums and pay, they won't here either.

CWU are a busted flush unfortunately
What part of the agreement have RM ignored in regards pay and lump sums? Specific sections if possible.
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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LouBarlow wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 09:52

What part of the agreement have RM ignored in regards pay and lump sums? Specific sections if possible.
Section 4.1.3
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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markyRFC wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 11:48
LouBarlow wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 09:52

What part of the agreement have RM ignored in regards pay and lump sums? Specific sections if possible.
Section 4.1.3
The next available payroll run is a vague term. If we end up not getting said payment, I will 100% be with you though.
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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postslippete wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:57
Acca Dacca wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:28
Stella102 wrote:
17 Jul 2023, 19:13
Well if you start at 9 am and have a 7 hour duty you will finish at 4 pm. How can you start earlier when there could be no mail in the office until 9am?
Ive raised this a few times

If there IS mail in the building there to be sorted earlier than everyones new start time then everyone could start earlier - there'd be no reason for the later start to begin with

The mail wont be there any earlier so there will be no viable family friendly option

There would always be mail/packets from the previous day that other posties didn't take out that would need delivering
Nah. That wouldnt be guaranteed.
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"No other jobs let you do the school run"
True, hence a whole bunch of people taking this one that was advertised as family friendly. It's bad enough that the general public think of us as doing half days without other posties joining in
"If someone is allowed to do different hours just because they have kids it's unfair"
Yep. So is the antiquated notion of "seniority" trumping ability, but everyone in RM accepts it even when it's detrimental to the company as a whole ("well Ian who is due 6 months off for an operation and has never done the walk has decided it looks easy so you're getting moved and we will just ignore it when he can't do it and then goes off for months.")... So is the fact that someone who's worked under 5 years is on worse terms and conditions, and less contracted hours than someone who's worked for 8. Nothing in RM is "fair," and as a reserve who's done almost all of the walks in our DO that is very, very apparent
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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Kenfandango wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 17:25
"No other jobs let you do the school run"
True, hence a whole bunch of people taking this one that was advertised as family friendly. It's bad enough that the general public think of us as doing half days without other posties joining in
"If someone is allowed to do different hours just because they have kids it's unfair"
Yep. So is the antiquated notion of "seniority" trumping ability, but everyone in RM accepts it even when it's detrimental to the company as a whole ("well Ian who is due 6 months off for an operation and has never done the walk has decided it looks easy so you're getting moved and we will just ignore it when he can't do it and then goes off for months.")... So is the fact that someone who's worked under 5 years is on worse terms and conditions, and less contracted hours than someone who's worked for 8. Nothing in RM is "fair," and as a reserve who's done almost all of the walks in our DO that is very, very apparent
As soon as one person gets family friendly all the other people in the same situation will expect it and rightly so, in my office I can think of at least 20 people who would want it , if all can't be accommodated then no one should be or do you suggest the manager chooses his favourites to have it like I assume you would for vacant duties if seniority wasn't used?
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There has been a massive increase in jobs which allow you to do the school run since covid.

Hybrid/ remote roles and flexible working is on trend. The problem is these jobs are often more challenging to acquire.
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Kenfandango wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 17:25
"No other jobs let you do the school run"
True, hence a whole bunch of people taking this one that was advertised as family friendly. It's bad enough that the general public think of us as doing half days without other posties joining in
"If someone is allowed to do different hours just because they have kids it's unfair"
Yep. So is the antiquated notion of "seniority" trumping ability, but everyone in RM accepts it even when it's detrimental to the company as a whole ("well Ian who is due 6 months off for an operation and has never done the walk has decided it looks easy so you're getting moved and we will just ignore it when he can't do it and then goes off for months.")... So is the fact that someone who's worked under 5 years is on worse terms and conditions, and less contracted hours than someone who's worked for 8. Nothing in RM is "fair," and as a reserve who's done almost all of the walks in our DO that is very, very apparent
Kinda have to agree on this point. As much as people want to say, "well they've put in the years so they deserve it and it stops favouritism," it pretty much works against the company on wanting pure flexibility from it's workers which is obviously what they've been wanting for years.

The problem is that yes they've been there for years however they are very limited compared to a reserve since they will more than likely only know one walk in the office which would be the one they signed for. Hence why most people don't really stick around as much now since they don't know what their days off are until management either says "oh, not sure yet. Umm do you want to work it?" or literally turns around to you and says, "oh it's tomorrow or bank holiday ". People hate being messed around like that.

And, despite the belief that seniority stops managers playing favourites, it's still a really flawed system. It's pretty big issue in my office as well since majority of the ones that have the highest seniority still have the "job and finish" mentality so will do things such as come in early for an hour or will doorstep or run around. Then, when it comes to the resign, all that will happen will be they'll hop on another walk and repeat the cycle again and again.

There are a few youngsters that will do the same too, but they've obviously learnt it from somewhere. It's somewhat of a benefit to us and a curse to us and the company long term. Kinda feel like the company is over reliant on the senior members of staff more than anything, but what exactly happens once they have left or no longer playing ball? Not even trained a single member of new staff how to do IPS or mail sorting for YEARS now and you've got quite a number of old timers that can leaving now in this year alone. But, hell with that point might not even be an issue if things go as RM has planned. However, probably fall on their faces a number of times for them to get it right.
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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I've done 32 years, and when I hit 20, I started thinking seniority was flawed.

Once I felt this, I thought maybe suitability would be better. I kepted looking as the years rolled by. What I noticed was the new system of shitability. If your s**t at a job, took too long, booked more hours for the same job, you'd get put on easier roles.

Seniority is flawed. But shitability is worse.

I would task anyone with coming up with a better system than seniority as all others a flawed also.

As for family friendly, it's the most abused rule I ever saw. Now it appears ruined for genuine cases.
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The problem with "suitability" is that you end up turning compliance into a competition.

This week you might think you're the most suitable but by next week the other guy is willing to go further and faster to get what you have.

Great for the company but a race to the bottom for us...

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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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moon71 wrote:
18 Jul 2023, 21:52


Seniority is flawed. But shitability is worse.
Not sure if that is a typo but I agree.
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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It’s true if you work hard and show willing you make yourself a target to have more work thrown at you for no extra reward.
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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kazardaimenu wrote:
19 Jul 2023, 06:29
It’s true if you work hard and show willing you make yourself a target to have more work thrown at you for no extra reward.
yup the faster and better you work, the more stuff your asked to do covering those who walk at the "standard pace" :roll:
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Re: Family Friendly Duties

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kazardaimenu wrote:
19 Jul 2023, 06:29
It’s true if you work hard and show willing you make yourself a target to have more work thrown at you for no extra reward.

:Applause :Applause :Applause Spot on.