LTB 184/23 - RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 - NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION

[DGH]

If the mech is wrong then the nominated person in the DO responsible for updating the data on Route Planner needs to pull their finger out and get it updated. Sequencing and sort plans are written based on the data in Route Planner, if that data is wrong then the mech will be wrong.

Just because a person has been nominated as the route manager 'champion' does not mean they will have been released to perform that job. Perhaps it's managers who 'need to pull their finger out' and prioritise that work being done.

While it's not rocket science by any means, it is (needlessly) time consuming and often requires walkholders as well as the route planner to be released to perform properly. Firms jobs and rurals are especially prone to errors that were introduced by the 2021 revision (which messed up the old A+) and have not been corrected since because it has not been seen as a priority.

It's also true that the address management unit will sometimes not authorise changes that are required for the mech to flow correctly. This happens more frequently than you might imagine.

[Duesouth]

What happens when the mech machine mucks up and everything is not in order? Where do you place the D2D, behind the bundle? All of this just to save 5 or 10 minutes at best.

[Clappedoutpostie]

What happens when the mech machine mucks up and everything is not in order? Where do you place the D2D, behind the bundle? All of this just to save 5 or 10 minutes at best.

Parcels only I guess. It’s really a play on reducing the amount of offices.

[kazardaimenu]

What about mail brought back from the day before? Also business deliveries.

[taurus88]

Ultimately, we all know it won’t matter how much of a disaster - or otherwise - this shall prove to be.

RM have already decided the result and it is this; bigger walks, more miles, and more bodies on legacy contracts out of the door.

The union that is meant to fight your corner? They’re kneeling on the floor begging for scraps and they will accept anything and everything that comes our way because they’ll never have to do any of these deliveries.

And your £1400? You’ll get that once you’ve implemented all of the changes needed to pay for it, if you can stick the job for the awful 3 months ahead of you.

[Yumyum]

In reply to Worktotime, the people who a f@#$ing clueless how this job is done are those f@#$ing clowns Ward and Fury. Never set foot in a delivery office in the last 30 years. And they want us to do more ffs. Stick a broom up my ass I'll sweep the floor as I go. All this yes vote means is RM can happily plough on ahead, now with the good help of their new bumchums while we all get f@#$ed, whilst patting themselves on the back. They both need to resign, but they never take responsibility and put their hands up and say "Sorry guy's and girls we f@#$ed up " Utter f@#$ing disgrace of a union

[Phantom]

Just let it fail....everything else RM do fails so just sit back and watch the s**t show unfold.

[Jen1]

I don’t get it????

So are we still putting small packets in manually?

Are you supposed to flick through each bundle until you find the correct place for each packet?

What if there’s no mail for where your packet goes are you supposed to guess?

How does it work when you have terrace houses with letterboxes on different sides like when you go up one side and then round and down the other side, how do you know that number 46 isn’t next to number 48 because the letterbox is on the next street??

Even the rounds I know well I don’t remember which side each house number is on

Have I misunderstood/missed something??

Doesn’t seem quicker to me

Why can’t they just sort the letters with the small packets?

Does this mean my small packets that are too big to fit in the bundle but easy to lose in your bag won’t get turned for?

[LouBarlow]

It isn’t your job to worry about the logistics. Just turn up on time, do whatever crackpot duties management ask you to do, then go home. Pride in the job has long since dissipated. Just work your hours and let managers worry about it. It will make your working life less stressful.

[Nickvilla20]

It isn’t your job to worry about the logistics. Just turn up on time, do whatever crackpot duties management ask you to do, then go home. Pride in the job has long since dissipated. Just work your hours and let managers worry about it. It will make your working life less stressful.

This sadly is the reality. I know people with much better paid jobs than ours who also have the same attitude.

The going the extra mile attitude and trying to provide a good service ended many years ago.

[yellowbelly]

I don’t get it????

So are we still putting small packets in manually?

Are you supposed to flick through each bundle until you find the correct place for each packet?

What if there’s no mail for where your packet goes are you supposed to guess?

How does it work when you have terrace houses with letterboxes on different sides like when you go up one side and then round and down the other side, how do you know that number 46 isn’t next to number 48 because the letterbox is on the next street??

Even the rounds I know well I don’t remember which side each house number is on

Have I misunderstood/missed something??

Doesn’t seem quicker to me

Why can’t they just sort the letters with the small packets?

Does this mean my small packets that are too big to fit in the bundle but easy to lose in your bag won’t get turned for?

Attempting to answer your questions (and as far as I can tell from the gumpf they've pushed out) the process is
generally:

Large flats/small packets get put into the relevant place in the sequenced segment/loop on your 'prep tray' then bundled
up (pretty much as if you're extracting from a frame - except the frame you're creating the bundle on
is now the tray thingy sat on your 'desk'!). You'd have to do redirs as you complete each bundle though.

If you've got a larger packet/flat/parcel then either turn/mark a letter/put a 739 (whichever method you currently use or just
rely on memory when your out) in the appropriate place on the prep tray in the bundle you're creating.

Repeat ad nauseum.

According to the slides at the beginning of the thread it looks like we're going to have a 'Prep aid' which I'm assuming
will be a totally accurate, up to date list of properties as they're supposed to be delivered sequentially as per
your sequenced mail, so if as per your example 46 is the last DP on one bundle and you use 48 as the start of the next
it will be clearly documented for the reserve/agency bod who has to stand in on the walk because the manager
will keep the documents up to date on a weekly basis won't they

It's going to be fun!!

[SpacePhoenix]

According to the slides at the beginning of the thread it looks like we're going to have a 'Prep aid' which I'm assuming
will be a totally accurate, up to date list of properties as they're supposed to be delivered sequentially as per
your sequenced mail, so if as per your example 46 is the last DP on one bundle and you use 48 as the start of the next
it will be clearly documented for the reserve/agency bod who has to stand in on the walk because the manager
will keep the documents up to date on a weekly basis won't they

How many DOs will have their Route Planner data fully up to date? It wouldn't surprise me if for many DOs their Route Planner will be way out of date

[R5001]

How many DOs will have their Route Planner data fully up to date? It wouldn't surprise me if for many DOs their Route Planner will be way out of date

Ours is still on the last revision, and the sorting sheets are also still utterly f****d. The mis preps leftover each day are ridiculous.

[The Postman]

Why they always trying to fix something that isn't broken?

[Jen1]

I don’t get it????

So are we still putting small packets in manually?

Are you supposed to flick through each bundle until you find the correct place for each packet?

What if there’s no mail for where your packet goes are you supposed to guess?

How does it work when you have terrace houses with letterboxes on different sides like when you go up one side and then round and down the other side, how do you know that number 46 isn’t next to number 48 because the letterbox is on the next street??

Even the rounds I know well I don’t remember which side each house number is on

Have I misunderstood/missed something??

Doesn’t seem quicker to me

Why can’t they just sort the letters with the small packets?

Does this mean my small packets that are too big to fit in the bundle but easy to lose in your bag won’t get turned for?

Attempting to answer your questions (and as far as I can tell from the gumpf they've pushed out) the process is
generally:

Large flats/small packets get put into the relevant place in the sequenced segment/loop on your 'prep tray' then bundled
up (pretty much as if you're extracting from a frame - except the frame you're creating the bundle on
is now the tray thingy sat on your 'desk'!). You'd have to do redirs as you complete each bundle though.

If you've got a larger packet/flat/parcel then either turn/mark a letter/put a 739 (whichever method you currently use or just
rely on memory when your out) in the appropriate place on the prep tray in the bundle you're creating.

Repeat ad nauseum.

According to the slides at the beginning of the thread it looks like we're going to have a 'Prep aid' which I'm assuming
will be a totally accurate, up to date list of properties as they're supposed to be delivered sequentially as per
your sequenced mail, so if as per your example 46 is the last DP on one bundle and you use 48 as the start of the next
it will be clearly documented for the reserve/agency bod who has to stand in on the walk because the manager
will keep the documents up to date on a weekly basis won't they

It's going to be fun!!

Firstly thank you for attempting to explain it to me

I think it’s the merging bit that I’m not understanding

Because to me it sounds like I’ll have to flick through my loop bundle for every single packet and loose mail I need to put in

And if there’s no corresponding mail I then have to cross reference the packet address with this reference sheet to see what it goes next to????

And door 2 doors? Do we have to slot those in as well?

Is our office an anomaly with the amount of loose mail we have because the pictures seem to be showing just a few letters?!?

It seems like they’re saving time because you don’t have to put the sequenced in the frame but then losing time on everything else

And you can guarantee that nobody is going to turn for anything so I’ll be guaranteed to miss some packets on delivery and they’ll probably be tracked so that should add some extra time that we don’t have onto the round

Doesn’t make sense to me

Hope they’re going to trial it properly and not just offer greedy managers a bonus if they make it work (or in our managers case fudge the figures, he’s already been caught faking a trust survey to get a bonus and getting us to stream mail everyday to try and make the revised rounds look like a success god knows what dubious crap he’d have us doing to get a bonus for this one)