The odds were always against us

[milly]

Can't wait until Labour win the next election, so the dimwits will finally realise that there is zero difference between the two Parties.
Manifestos will be ignored as usual.
We live in a one Party state.

We definitely agree on that. However, a Corbyn government would have been vastly different to either of the two main parties currently.

In hindsight Corbyn would have been far better, and incredibly more fiscally responsible.

Listening to you pair I can see why the vote was "yes" . Not a braincell between you. Corbyn fiscally responsible - WHAT ??? His spending plans would have made covid look like pocket change . Take an IQ test , because there is certainly something lacking upstairs.

I don’t know. I don’t think either of us would be dumb enough to quote our own posts. I might be wrong.

[Woody Guthrie]

Corbyn wouldn't have necessarily ruined the economy any more than the Tories have, certainly not as much as Liz Truss did in her short stint in the job. There are enough economists who believe that infrastructure spending can actually grow an economy much faster than austerity ever will for us posties to accept that it's at least a debatable position.

The problem was it was obvious to the voters that Corbyn didn't want to be Prime Minister, he didn't even expect to win the Labour leadership contest and probably wouldn't have entered if he thought he might have.

He is and always has been a career oppositionist, a contrarian, a man who feels more comfortable opposing power and policy not implementing it.

Had he won nothing would have been achieved other than a thousand commitee meeting deciding the square root of f**k all.

[Acca Dacca]

That old cliche "if you don't like Corbyn etc you're a Tory" is worn out now.
Almost as bad as the one on here "if you disagree with me therefore you must be a manger(sic)".
Old and tired.

You’ve proudly admitted on here before you are a Tory.

[sweepster70]

I voted for Corbyn in the elections and was made up when he was voted in.
It was his own Labour MP's who f****d him over. "The peoples vote" What the f**k was that?

[jahbalon]

Politics and religion don't mix well on a forum or anywhere else for that matter.
Can we stick to Royal Mail and CWU subjects, and keep it civil ?

[sweepster70]

Politics and religion don't mix well on a forum or anywhere else for that matter.
Can we stick to Royal Mail and CWU subjects, and keep it civil ?

Done.

[aiden01]

Politics and religion don't mix well on a forum or anywhere else for that matter.
Can we stick to Royal Mail and CWU subjects, and keep it civil ?

Well said an might i add (neither does abuse of each other)

[Tman]

You’ve proudly admitted on here before you are a Tory.

I have? Show me the post then.
This should be interesting.

[Acca Dacca]

You’ve proudly admitted on here before you are a Tory.

I have? Show me the post then.
This should be interesting.

So you never voted Tory last election to “get Brexit done”?

Ok

[Tman]

Show me the post then. It shouldn't be too difficult for you.

[Acca Dacca]

Show me the post then. It shouldn't be too difficult for you.

Yeah that’s what I’ll do I’ll spend my weekend trawling through every one of your 3550 posts

You voted for the Conservatives last election

Or was it an even more right wing Brexit party?

[Tman]

Really, is that the best you can do?
Why not use the search facility?

[Jpro747]

Can't wait until Labour win the next election, so the dimwits will finally realise that there is zero difference between the two Parties.
Manifestos will be ignored as usual.
We live in a one Party state.

Exactly this. Radical political change is needed. About time we had people coming from average backgrounds running the country. Not posh privately educated pr**s, or anyone who has 'Sir' as their title.

[sledger]

the tories will thieve as much as they can and will leave the economy in a bad way as they know that after the next election the labour party will be left with the fall out.

[Woody Guthrie]

Can't wait until Labour win the next election, so the dimwits will finally realise that there is zero difference between the two Parties.
Manifestos will be ignored as usual.
We live in a one Party state.

Exactly this. Radical political change is needed. About time we had people coming from average backgrounds running the country. Not posh privately educated pr**s, or anyone who has 'Sir' as their title.

The media don't want radical political change.
The financial institutions don't want radical political change.
The establishment whatever that means doesn't want radical political change.
Businesses don't want radical political change.
Even the average Joe in the street doesn't want radical political change.
We had that experiment with Corbyn who could barely be described as radical.
It was soundly defeated twice, even in 2017 he was nowhere near forming a government.
You won't get radical political change in a country like the UK where despite protestations people still live relatively comfortably compared to the kind of countries where that kind of change is seen regularly. You really have to have f**k all to lose before you're willing to take that kind of gamble. Maybe it will come to that but we're a long way from it now.

So rather than praying for unicorns and tearing itself apart on a consistent basis the left needs to unify behind someone or something that can actually wrest power away from the right before they do even more damage.

A simple question.
Who gains from the statement "there is zero difference between the two Parties"?

I sometimes think the left is afraid of power, f**k all that responsibility s**t, it's safer to keep the lofty if impractical ideals and shout from the sidelines.

It hasn't helped a single person in 13 years though.