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LTB 184/23 - RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 - NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
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LTB 184/23 - RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 - NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
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LTB 184/23 - RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 - NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
No. 184/23
13th July 2023
Dear Colleagues,
RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 – NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
Branches and Representatives will be aware of the commitments contained in the Business Transformation, Recovery and Growth negotiators’ agreement in relation to Section 7, National Agreed Trial Indoor Delivery – Methods Change.
In line with the terms of this Section of the BTR&G agreement talks have been ongoing with Royal Mail in relation to progressing trial activity. These talks have concluded with an agreed Joint Communication, which is attached together with the associated Annexes.
As set out, the Indoor Delivery Methods trials will be held across 10 sites, one per Division as listed below:
Bournemouth DO (West Section) – South West/South Wales
Brandon DO – Anglia
Dover DO – South East
West Derby (Liverpool) DO – North West
Lanark DO – Scotland
Dronfield DO – North East
Pinner DO – South Central
Armagh – Northern Ireland
Cheadle – Midlands
Paddington – London
In addition, Branches will note that the specific methods to be trialled are set out in Annex A and this will be set against the success criteria, as set out in Section 7 of the BTR&G agreement, as detailed in Annex B.
The trial activity will ensure that CWU Representatives across the catchment areas will be fully involved in the activity, including the establishment of Local Joint Working Groups. To further support this, two launch events have already been held early this week to ensure full engagement from the CWU at all levels. The trial will be further supported by both Departments and with PE members being nominated to oversee activity at each of the listed sites.
The trialled methods will be managed fully in line with the Royal Mail safety and quality standards. This will be done through risk assessment, SSOW and ergonomic assessment and the input of the CWU HS&E Department. During the trials, feedback will be sought from all individuals involved at the trial locations to suggest modifications to the way of working, the method used, and current equipment or alternative equipment.
Additionally, the trial will undertake relevant reviews and Industrial Engineering (IE) studies of the outdoor delivery operation in order to understand any possible impacts resulting from the indoor methods trials. There will also be further joint IE studies to allow the measurement of the new methods compared with the traditional methods measured in the Industrial Engineering Planning Values Database. This will measure what benefits and efficiency can be achieved through a revised method change. This will also include IE studies of a sample of walks involved in the trial in advance of the trial to support this feedback at a route level.
Full training will be provided for all Delivery OPGs engaged and Workplace Coaches involved in the trials.
All units involved in the trials will be managed consistent with national agreements, guidelines and procedures and both parties have agreed that during the trials there will be no structural changes to Duty Structures/AWD Duties or Scheduled Attendance arising from the activity.
In regard to the Upstream element it is confirmed that during the trial, there will be no changes to Processing or Distribution plans, specifically because of the trials. However, discussions between Royal Mail and the CWU on the potential impact of Upstream Activity on the trial, in Mail Centres/Processing Units and Distribution will take place between the respective Roya Mail Leads and CWU National Parties, in order to discuss the engagement process for involving the Area Processing & Distribution Reps as part of the LJWG at in-scope units to support trial activity.
The trial will be jointly reviewed on an ongoing basis by the National JWG (including feedback from the Local JWGs), who will meet on a regular basis to discuss and review the progress of the trials.
The aim of the trials is to define a preferred method, which will be rolled out beyond the trial sites in order to support and facilitate National deployment from August 2023 onwards. The ongoing programme of rollout and National deployment will also form part of the joint outputs from the review.
As Branches will note from the agreed Joint Communication the explicit detail of the different methods to be trialled along with concepts and aims and objectives has been covered in some detail. Also encompassed within the Joint Communication is that the trial is carried out with full CWU involvement and in line with the commitments set out in Section 7 of the BTR&G agreement.
Any queries to the content of the above, please contact the Outdoor Department, reference number: 540, email address: njones@cwu.org .
Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to Davie Robertson, Assistant Secretary, email: dwyatt@cwu.org quoting reference number: 054.01.
Yours sincerely,
Mark Baulch – CWU Assistant Secretary
Davie Robertson – CWU Assistant Secretary
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LTB 184/23 - RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 - NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
No. 184/23
13th July 2023
Dear Colleagues,
RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION & GROWTH AGREEMENT SECTION 7 – NATIONAL AGREED TRIAL INDOOR DELIVERY METHODS CHANGES: JOINT COMMUNICATION
Branches and Representatives will be aware of the commitments contained in the Business Transformation, Recovery and Growth negotiators’ agreement in relation to Section 7, National Agreed Trial Indoor Delivery – Methods Change.
In line with the terms of this Section of the BTR&G agreement talks have been ongoing with Royal Mail in relation to progressing trial activity. These talks have concluded with an agreed Joint Communication, which is attached together with the associated Annexes.
As set out, the Indoor Delivery Methods trials will be held across 10 sites, one per Division as listed below:
Bournemouth DO (West Section) – South West/South Wales
Brandon DO – Anglia
Dover DO – South East
West Derby (Liverpool) DO – North West
Lanark DO – Scotland
Dronfield DO – North East
Pinner DO – South Central
Armagh – Northern Ireland
Cheadle – Midlands
Paddington – London
In addition, Branches will note that the specific methods to be trialled are set out in Annex A and this will be set against the success criteria, as set out in Section 7 of the BTR&G agreement, as detailed in Annex B.
The trial activity will ensure that CWU Representatives across the catchment areas will be fully involved in the activity, including the establishment of Local Joint Working Groups. To further support this, two launch events have already been held early this week to ensure full engagement from the CWU at all levels. The trial will be further supported by both Departments and with PE members being nominated to oversee activity at each of the listed sites.
The trialled methods will be managed fully in line with the Royal Mail safety and quality standards. This will be done through risk assessment, SSOW and ergonomic assessment and the input of the CWU HS&E Department. During the trials, feedback will be sought from all individuals involved at the trial locations to suggest modifications to the way of working, the method used, and current equipment or alternative equipment.
Additionally, the trial will undertake relevant reviews and Industrial Engineering (IE) studies of the outdoor delivery operation in order to understand any possible impacts resulting from the indoor methods trials. There will also be further joint IE studies to allow the measurement of the new methods compared with the traditional methods measured in the Industrial Engineering Planning Values Database. This will measure what benefits and efficiency can be achieved through a revised method change. This will also include IE studies of a sample of walks involved in the trial in advance of the trial to support this feedback at a route level.
Full training will be provided for all Delivery OPGs engaged and Workplace Coaches involved in the trials.
All units involved in the trials will be managed consistent with national agreements, guidelines and procedures and both parties have agreed that during the trials there will be no structural changes to Duty Structures/AWD Duties or Scheduled Attendance arising from the activity.
In regard to the Upstream element it is confirmed that during the trial, there will be no changes to Processing or Distribution plans, specifically because of the trials. However, discussions between Royal Mail and the CWU on the potential impact of Upstream Activity on the trial, in Mail Centres/Processing Units and Distribution will take place between the respective Roya Mail Leads and CWU National Parties, in order to discuss the engagement process for involving the Area Processing & Distribution Reps as part of the LJWG at in-scope units to support trial activity.
The trial will be jointly reviewed on an ongoing basis by the National JWG (including feedback from the Local JWGs), who will meet on a regular basis to discuss and review the progress of the trials.
The aim of the trials is to define a preferred method, which will be rolled out beyond the trial sites in order to support and facilitate National deployment from August 2023 onwards. The ongoing programme of rollout and National deployment will also form part of the joint outputs from the review.
As Branches will note from the agreed Joint Communication the explicit detail of the different methods to be trialled along with concepts and aims and objectives has been covered in some detail. Also encompassed within the Joint Communication is that the trial is carried out with full CWU involvement and in line with the commitments set out in Section 7 of the BTR&G agreement.
Any queries to the content of the above, please contact the Outdoor Department, reference number: 540, email address: njones@cwu.org .
Any enquiries in relation to this LTB should be addressed to Davie Robertson, Assistant Secretary, email: dwyatt@cwu.org quoting reference number: 054.01.
Yours sincerely,
Mark Baulch – CWU Assistant Secretary
Davie Robertson – CWU Assistant Secretary
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https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... -Guide.pdf
https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... -Trial.pdf
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
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Well every one of those methods is slower than what we are doing now so no doubt we'll be adopting one of those methods some time soon! 
Union what Union? Do we have a union?
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less indoor time needed more outdoor time to deliver 6 hours or more thanks cwu you really played a blinder whats the point of the union royal mail are going to ramp everything up and come for us and they will get everything they want hold on tight posties
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I guess this is because mail volumes have reduced and will continue to decline to such a point were it will be quicker to prep into the sequenced rather than prep the sequenced.
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FFS! What a load of nonsense! It'll take twice as long fannying about prepping a round like that. What about the people that are reserves who don't actually know the duty that well? Another s**t idea, thought up by some fuckwit trying to impress their equally s**t bosses.
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I’m guessing that we will no longer have to do any more door-to-door deliveries because they aren’t mentioned in these new indoor methods.
Also it seems quite foolish (or very convenient from a business point of view) to trial these new methods in the quietest few weeks of the entire year. Try these new techniques in September to December and we will soon see how much time we will be ‘saving’.
Also it seems quite foolish (or very convenient from a business point of view) to trial these new methods in the quietest few weeks of the entire year. Try these new techniques in September to December and we will soon see how much time we will be ‘saving’.
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Well done the 75%, the start of a slippery slope begins.
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When do you do D2D's?
What a backwards indoors f**k up this is.
On a positive note though, it will take longer indoor which means more loops will be left.
What a backwards indoors f**k up this is.
On a positive note though, it will take longer indoor which means more loops will be left.
CUT OFF!!!
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You just know the trials will be a success, (like the parcels shovels and yorks) and will be implement in September when we moved to seasonal hours (39 hours). So prepare yourself mentally now!!tonybordino wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 15:32I’m guessing that we will no longer have to do any more door-to-door deliveries because they aren’t mentioned in these new indoor methods.
Also it seems quite foolish (or very convenient from a business point of view) to trial these new methods in the quietest few weeks of the entire year. Try these new techniques in September to December and we will soon see how much time we will be ‘saving’.
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They're going use data driven solutions with regards to d2ds , no I don't know either.tonybordino wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 15:32I’m guessing that we will no longer have to do any more door-to-door deliveries because they aren’t mentioned in these new indoor methods.
Also it seems quite foolish (or very convenient from a business point of view) to trial these new methods in the quietest few weeks of the entire year. Try these new techniques in September to December and we will soon see how much time we will be ‘saving’.
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Every one of those ideas is f***ing stupid beyond belief. Going round the houses trying to reinvent the wheel when it only takes about 15 mins maximum to throw your sequenced mail in.
I’m sure the trials will be a roaring success though and we can all look forward to this disorganised stress inducing way of working in the near future.
At least Mark Baulch and some PEC members can stand around feeling important during the trial’s though before RM decide on which one they want.
I’m sure the trials will be a roaring success though and we can all look forward to this disorganised stress inducing way of working in the near future.
At least Mark Baulch and some PEC members can stand around feeling important during the trial’s though before RM decide on which one they want.
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These methods are all well and good until there is someone who doesn't know the frame. How will they know what streets go in which loops if it isn't clearly marked on the frame. Surely, it would actually be far easier just to put the mail in a standard frame?
Rather than improving letter deliveries they are also making them worse if they are eliminating 2nd class letters on wave 2.
Rather than improving letter deliveries they are also making them worse if they are eliminating 2nd class letters on wave 2.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Add that to the fact that in our office at least the frames are still f****d from the 2021 revision so alot of walks cannot be done to frame. Also and this is probably national, the so called sorted mail comes in so badly sorted it would make this way of working even harder.postslippete wrote: ↑13 Jul 2023, 16:22These methods are all well and good until there is someone who doesn't know the frame. How will they know what streets go in which loops if it isn't clearly marked on the frame. Surely, it would actually be far easier just to put the mail in a standard frame?
Rather than improving letter deliveries they are also making them worse if they are eliminating 2nd class letters on wave 2.
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Still can’t get mech boxes right, oh this be fun