The vote is in : 75.8% yes

[Timetomoveon]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

The plan less indoor prep, less packets for walking staff makes walks bigger.

[Acca Dacca]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

You are forgetting the part in the agreement about introducing methods that will reduce the indoor work by 25 minutes, which means that 25 minutes saved will be utilised by adding more onto the outdoor element of your daily workload

Yes 25 minutes more outdoors is definitely going to be equivalent to twice the workload.

Seriously. You lost the vote. Why are you even carrying on with this nonsense?

I never said we would be working twice as hard and I never lost any vote. Im merely correcting your comment about deliveries not getting any longer with this agreemnt. That is untrue.

It does also demonstrate that you in actual fact never read the full agreement to make such a false statement.

[LouBarlow]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

The plan less indoor prep, less packets for walking staff makes walks bigger.

An interesting plan. But one you have made up. The vote is done. Why are you trying to convince people?

[Timetomoveon]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

The plan less indoor prep, less packets for walking staff makes walks bigger.

An interesting plan. But one you have made up. The vote is done. Why are you trying to convince people?

Really lol
That’s what’s going into our office but hey it’s RM all offices are different.

[Acca Dacca]

Lou are you seriously going to post 'You lost get over it' like a child to anyone going forward who posts any sort of constructive criticism of what awaits us? Ive not threw the toys out the pram and declared im out of the union or the vote is a fix like some others. I accept that the membership have chosen what direction we are going - but its not healthy for a shut down of any discussion of the agreement like you are trying to do.

[LouBarlow]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

You are forgetting the part in the agreement about introducing methods that will reduce the indoor work by 25 minutes, which means that 25 minutes saved will be utilised by adding more onto the outdoor element of your daily workload

Yes 25 minutes more outdoors is definitely going to be equivalent to twice the workload.

Seriously. You lost the vote. Why are you even carrying on with this nonsense?

I never said we would be working twice as hard and I never lost any vote. Im merely correcting your comment about deliveries not getting any longer with this agreemnt. That is untrue.

It does also demonstrate that you in actual fact never read the full agreement to make such a false statement.

Give it up. If we are arguing now over an extra 25 minutes on delivery you are really scraping the barrel. Your union has secured you a healthy pay rise and lump sum from a failing business. Be grateful and move on. The ship has sailed. You have nobody to convince now that 75% of voters have voted for the deal that secures them a job and a pay rise.

[Acca Dacca]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

You are forgetting the part in the agreement about introducing methods that will reduce the indoor work by 25 minutes, which means that 25 minutes saved will be utilised by adding more onto the outdoor element of your daily workload

Yes 25 minutes more outdoors is definitely going to be equivalent to twice the workload.

Seriously. You lost the vote. Why are you even carrying on with this nonsense?

I never said we would be working twice as hard and I never lost any vote. Im merely correcting your comment about deliveries not getting any longer with this agreemnt. That is untrue.

It does also demonstrate that you in actual fact never read the full agreement to make such a false statement.

Give it up. If we are arguing now over an extra 25 minutes on delivery you are really scraping the barrel. Your union has secured you a healthy pay rise and lump sum from a failing business. Be grateful and move on. The ship has sailed. You have nobody to convince now that 75% of voters have voted for the deal that secures them a job and a pay rise.

As I thought.

See above.

Im not arguing over 25 minutes.

Im telling you that you posted deliveries wouldnt be getting any longer and that you are wrong and told you why based on whats in the agreement.

Now rather than hold your hands up like an adult and accept that you are wrong you are resorting to ''YOU LOST GET OVER IT!!!''

[LouBarlow]

Lou are you seriously going to post 'You lost get over it' like a child to anyone going forward who posts any sort of constructive criticism of what awaits us? Ive not threw the toys out the pram and declared im out of the union or the vote is a fix like some others. I accept that the membership have chosen what direction we are going - but its not healthy for a shut down of any discussion of the agreement like you are trying to do.

Yes because this deal is done. You lost. What point is there of you now posting in a thread specifically for this agreement trying to convince people? You tried your best but nobody agreed. I understand why you are bitter but it is time for us all to move on.

[Acca Dacca]

Lou are you seriously going to post 'You lost get over it' like a child to anyone going forward who posts any sort of constructive criticism of what awaits us? Ive not threw the toys out the pram and declared im out of the union or the vote is a fix like some others. I accept that the membership have chosen what direction we are going - but its not healthy for a shut down of any discussion of the agreement like you are trying to do.

Yes because this deal is done. You lost. What point is there of you now posting in a thread specifically for this agreement trying to convince people? You tried your best but nobody agreed. I understand why you are bitter but it is time for us all to move on.

I never lost. Im not convincing anyone of anything and im not bitter.

In fact you wont find a single post from me on this forum telling anyone else to vote No.

Im just pointing out that you are wrong on something, which you are.

You seem to not be able to handle that very well.

Just because the deal is done doesnt mean that no one is allowed to discuss the impact of it because Lou says so. Many who voted YES realise that its not a great deal and deserves scrutiny.

[yellowbelly]

Really?

75% of people supported a deal that was worse than the first one which we were almost all up for striking over?

I am proud to be different and shall embrace that fact that people just f-ing baffle me.

Based on the turnout and % of yes votes just over 50.86% of eligible voters said yes, the others said no/didn't vote,
so it's hardly a ringing endorsement for this deal!

Are you management?
The way you have put it, is exactly what Royal Mail would say..... and do, every time there is a ballot.

How is 'so it's hardly a ringing endorsement for this deal' management speak, seriously!

[tyl]

Guys. Keep in mind that royal mail hired union busters. They'll use unethical methods to split us. And they won't quit as long as they are employed.

I voted no, but respect the result no matter how disappointed I am. The members, our work colleagues decided the result.

The ballot is run by an independent company.

The people suggesting the ballot was rigged are talking bs. And either ignorant, idiots or quite possibly union busters.



This is the internet. These forums don't confirm who is an employee or anything

[Timetomoveon]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

You are forgetting the part in the agreement about introducing methods that will reduce the indoor work by 25 minutes, which means that 25 minutes saved will be utilised by adding more onto the outdoor element of your daily workload

Yes 25 minutes more outdoors is definitely going to be equivalent to twice the workload.

Seriously. You lost the vote. Why are you even carrying on with this nonsense?

I never said we would be working twice as hard and I never lost any vote. Im merely correcting your comment about deliveries not getting any longer with this agreemnt. That is untrue.

It does also demonstrate that you in actual fact never read the full agreement to make such a false statement.

Give it up. If we are arguing now over an extra 25 minutes on delivery you are really scraping the barrel. Your union has secured you a healthy pay rise and lump sum from a failing business. Be grateful and move on. The ship has sailed. You have nobody to convince now that 75% of voters have voted for the deal that secures them a job and a pay rise.

As I thought.

See above.

Im not arguing over 25 minutes.

Im telling you that you posted deliveries wouldnt be getting any longer and that you are wrong and told you why based on whats in the agreement.

Now rather than hold your hands up like an adult and accept that you are wrong you are resorting to ''YOU LOST GET OVER IT!!!''

Some people’s heads are buried in the sand i’m afraid, they really think deliveries won’t change. I hope their right but I think their in for a shock.

[Nickvilla20]

53043 voted Yes

16896 voted No

51 spoilt ballots

104259 eligible voters

[steve2zaf]

Lou are you seriously going to post 'You lost get over it' like a child to anyone going forward who posts any sort of constructive criticism of what awaits us? Ive not threw the toys out the pram and declared im out of the union or the vote is a fix like some others. I accept that the membership have chosen what direction we are going - but its not healthy for a shut down of any discussion of the agreement like you are trying to do.

Yes because this deal is done. You lost. What point is there of you now posting in a thread specifically for this agreement trying to convince people? You tried your best but nobody agreed. I understand why you are bitter but it is time for us all to move on.

lou , you are a patronising little p...k . Unlike you the vast majority of "yes" voters were silent , knowing they had nothing to blow their horn over this sellout. Unlike you and some others who have continued to champion this deal - many would have regretfully voted for this. You have won nothing except for the inevitable demise of all t&c in the very near future . You always have to have the last word , you pathetic individual.

[Timetomoveon]

53043 voted Yes

16896 voted No

51 spoilt ballots

104259 eligible voters

Shocking how many people didn’t vote. I was a No I have no problem if you voted yes jobs f****d anyway but not to vote at all that’s the problem we have.