Have to vote No

[guardianangel]

Sounds like you have surrendered too,which is your right to do so. Why would they face economic ruin on a NO vote if they are going to bring it in anyway as the union and you say,surely a No vote would give them a better chance of survival ,personally i think they have bullied and frightened you into voting yes,me i'll never be frightened to stand up for what i believe in,at the end of the day its only a job, what are you so frightened about.

It is a job I still enjoy doing. I’m not constantly moaning about the good old days pre-privatisation which is the world a lot of posties think we can get back to by voting out this agreement.

Your statement seems to be very contradictory as it states that our role is ‘just a job’ but then you go out of your way to insist you will fight to the death to keep it.

You must see how this is confusing?

Its not the job im fighting for its the conditions we have to work under,the job is ok but jobs come and go these days you rarely get a job for life, if conditions are good people tend to stay no matter what the job is,as i said im fighting for respect and t's and c's and i'd do that for whatever job i'm in,and i'll never stop fighting for the rights our fathers got through years of struggle for respect and decent working condition and employers held accountable for employees well being no matter what job im in,I find it hard to believe you enjoy the job so much you'd be willing to except poorer pay and conditions and a drive to the gig economy. Whatever the outcome you'll vote yes and i'll vote NO,if its a yes i'll take the money and move onto pastures new and a new hope if its a NO im willing to stay and fight a little longer for a job i like (not love) for a better workplace,im still getting paid.

[X_hamster]

Its fantasy island stuff to suggest post 'the deal' it will still be a good job and people are living in the past - absolute tosh.

The union have renaged on every single point in this dispute, to the point that every comms for the last months could have been mistaken for RMTV.

They flirt with some of the issues on social media and completely ignore all the other elephants.

Look at the CSP's issue, staff with no clue whats happening....regardless of ballots.

Yes or No.....

Pretending its still a good job , taking a pay cut, and agreeing to next years pay cut in advance whilst slashing all terms and conditions to boot.

Thats neither green, nor modernising.

Yup very good......cheers CWU.

[Woody Guthrie]

im fighting for respect and t's and c's and i'd do that for whatever job i'm in,and i'll never stop fighting for the rights our fathers got through years of struggle for respect and decent working condition

As has been pointed out many times to you all that fighting is potentially putting more terms and conditions at risk.

If you know your history that's pretty much what happened in 1971 when a reasonable offer was refused and after 7 weeks of all out strike our "fathers" had managed to fight for a poorer deal than had originally been on the table.

If that happens this time will you apologise to the members whose terms and conditions you've undermined even further by your crusade?

[SpacePhoenix]

im fighting for respect and t's and c's and i'd do that for whatever job i'm in,and i'll never stop fighting for the rights our fathers got through years of struggle for respect and decent working condition

As has been pointed out many times to you all that fighting is potentially putting more terms and conditions at risk.

If you know your history that's pretty much what happened in 1971 when a reasonable offer was refused and after 7 weeks of all out strike our "fathers" had managed to fight for a poorer deal than had originally been on the table.

If that happens this time will you apologise to the members whose terms and conditions you've undermined even further by your crusade?

And just what guarantees have we truly got that RM won't just change our terms and conditions anyway a few months down the line anyway?

[Woody Guthrie]

And just what guarantees have we truly got that RM won't just change our terms and conditions anyway a few months down the line anyway?

None.
But that applies with or without an agreement and arguably more likely without because as we've already witnessed a dispute is a great excuse to impose change and then turn around and blame the union and workforce.

[LouBarlow]

im fighting for respect and t's and c's and i'd do that for whatever job i'm in,and i'll never stop fighting for the rights our fathers got through years of struggle for respect and decent working condition

As has been pointed out many times to you all that fighting is potentially putting more terms and conditions at risk.

If you know your history that's pretty much what happened in 1971 when a reasonable offer was refused and after 7 weeks of all out strike our "fathers" had managed to fight for a poorer deal than had originally been on the table.

If that happens this time will you apologise to the members whose terms and conditions you've undermined even further by your crusade?

And just what guarantees have we truly got that RM won't just change our terms and conditions anyway a few months down the line anyway?

If you don’t trust them either way, why not vote for the option that gets you more money?

[barrychuckle]

If people haven’t voted by now they probably won’t. So people need to give it a rest it’s getting very tedious now. Have a relaxing weekend and just wait until Tuesday then go again.

[FilthyBloke]

Voting doesn’t really make a difference now. The changes will be forced through one way or another. CWU had the wrong game plan from the start and it’s all backfired.
If people take pride in not accepting the inevitable then fine.
But either way come the next revision/agreement in a couple of years Royal Mails wrath will be terrible, their retribution swift. The battle for our terms and condition is over. The battle for our paid meal relief is about to begin.

[Nickvilla20]

Voting doesn’t really make a difference now. The changes will be forced through one way or another. CWU had the wrong game plan from the start and it’s all backfired.
If people take pride in not accepting the inevitable then fine.
But either way come the next revision/agreement in a couple of years Royal Mails wrath will be terrible, their retribution swift. The battle for our terms and condition is over. The battle for our paid meal relief is about to begin.

Would be a big own goal for Royal Mail to get rid of the paid meal relief. I reckon the majority of staff probably don’t take their full meal relief. Making it unpaid will make sure everyone actually takes their full break and will probably get less work done.

[FilthyBloke]

Voting doesn’t really make a difference now. The changes will be forced through one way or another. CWU had the wrong game plan from the start and it’s all backfired.
If people take pride in not accepting the inevitable then fine.
But either way come the next revision/agreement in a couple of years Royal Mails wrath will be terrible, their retribution swift. The battle for our terms and condition is over. The battle for our paid meal relief is about to begin.

Would be a big own goal for Royal Mail to get rid of the paid meal relief. I reckon the majority of staff probably don’t take their full meal relief. Making it unpaid will make sure everyone actually takes their full break and will probably get less work done.

Yep. Years of not having your lunch break and not doing van checks have helped RM just pile the work load on.
With the way some folk are strolling about in protest right now it wouldn’t surprise me if RM go after the paid meal relief. Or they force you to have most of it before you go out on delivery.

[Nickvilla20]

Voting doesn’t really make a difference now. The changes will be forced through one way or another. CWU had the wrong game plan from the start and it’s all backfired.
If people take pride in not accepting the inevitable then fine.
But either way come the next revision/agreement in a couple of years Royal Mails wrath will be terrible, their retribution swift. The battle for our terms and condition is over. The battle for our paid meal relief is about to begin.

Would be a big own goal for Royal Mail to get rid of the paid meal relief. I reckon the majority of staff probably don’t take their full meal relief. Making it unpaid will make sure everyone actually takes their full break and will probably get less work done.

Yep. Years of not having your lunch break and not doing van checks have helped RM just pile the work load on.
With the way some folk are strolling about in protest right now it wouldn’t surprise me if RM go after the paid meal relief. Or they force you to have most of it before you go out on delivery.

I always have a minimum of 30 minutes before I leave the office and I’m usually one of the last ones out. Even with the incoming cuts to T&Cs and bigger deliveries people are still running around, skipping breaks and not doing the job properly.

You’re right Royal Mail will come for more because many of us don’t do the job properly. A few I’m my office like to have all their break at the end that is time the managers will fill with more delivery work.

We really are our own worse enemies sometimes.

[daveyeff]

Back on the subject of the rolling strikes. Which would have crippled RM and probs won the dispute (imo)....and as woody has pointed out, it needed the full co-operation of RM supplying all the data and functions people were working in. Why then, would the union announce that rolling strikes were about to start, KNOWING, that this was the case? At our office we were "cock-a-hoop" at the very thought of "crushing" Thompson and his cronies, only for it all to be nipped in the bud....the union MUST have known?....why announce them??

[LouBarlow]

Back on the subject of the rolling strikes. Which would have crippled RM and probs won the dispute (imo)....and as woody has pointed out, it needed the full co-operation of RM supplying all the data and functions people were working in. Why then, would the union announce that rolling strikes were about to start, KNOWING, that this was the case? At our office we were "cock-a-hoop" at the very thought of "crushing" Thompson and his cronies, only for it all to be nipped in the bud....the union MUST have known?....why announce them??

Weren’t they deemed legally dubious at the time? I’m sure RM went to court or possibly I’m misremembering.

[daveyeff]

Well, then again, the union must have known if they were legal or not....unless the CWU lawyers really are totally clueless.

[Acca Dacca]

Andy Furey admitted after they were called off that they were pretty much impossible to do due to the requirement to notify RM of the exact number of workers for each function who would be out and when