Have to vote No

[pieoftheday]

Why not make it a 3 tier workforce? It’s going to become a 2 tier workplace already with the conditions for new starters

Put the yes voters on the later shift with the new terms and pay rise, they could mop up whatever gets left from the earlier shift or do the dedicated parcel routes

Leave the no voters as they are that way everyone is happy

I don’t begrudge anyone getting a pay rise if they’re willing to work the later shifts and it would give incentive for some to do the designated parcel routes (nobody has expressed interest in that at our office)

It could be an option depending on the amount of work and the percentage of yes to no votes

Even if you vote no you will be working later as the mail and parcels are going by road and rail regardless.

Why does mail going via road and rail have to mean it arrives later? As far as I know it always used to travel by rail and road and posties started at 5am?

[Woody Guthrie]

Leave the no voters as they are that way everyone is happy

This is the flaw in the thinking of a lot of no voters.
That there is an option that leaves anyone as they are.

What the true fair position would be..

Let the Yes voters accept the terms on offer now.

Let the No voters accept whatever terms are left on the table after the strikes or negotiatons or dispute you intend to have in order to secure a "better agreement".

If you're going to be brave enough to vote No you have to accept the consequences.... good or bad.

[Woody Guthrie]

Why does mail going via road and rail have to mean it arrives later? As far as I know it always used to travel by rail and road and posties started at 5am?

TPO mate..

During the latter part of the twentieth century, rail mail was subject to various changes. In Britain, Rail Express Systems (RES) was formed during the 1980s to rejuvenate the market, streamlining and centralising rail mail services, resulting in TPO coverage decreasing over the following years. During the 1990s, the Royal Mail, Britain's main customer for TPOs, ordered 16 four-car British Rail Class 325 electric multiple units to replace locomotive-hauled counterparts in handling parcels. However, wider economic factors, including increasingly effective mechanical sorting methods in comparison to the TPO's manned sorting, along with operational safety concerns, made it increasingly unattractive to continue operating such services. Accordingly, the final regular TPO service in Great Britain was performed on 9 January 2004, with the carriages themselves used sold for scrap or to preservation societies. Since then, the Royal Mail has occasionally transferred some mail by rail, but has preferred using aircraft or road vehicles for doing so.

[enskied]

Where is it Lou . Trumpton and the 1950's ?

Your office needs looking at.

It took you an hour to come up with that? I mean, you could have edited it into your previous post, but I guess you were proud of it and felt it deserved its own.

Our office is a few weeks into our revision, and despite being short-staffed we are still completing every day. Sounds like a more pleasant office to work in than some on here, which I guess is why I am more keen to vote for a deal that safeguards my job.

No it didn't take an hour, it was an aside.
The more you speak the more unbelievable you sound. However in happy-Land

[pieoftheday]

Why does mail going via road and rail have to mean it arrives later? As far as I know it always used to travel by rail and road and posties started at 5am?

TPO mate..

During the latter part of the twentieth century, rail mail was subject to various changes. In Britain, Rail Express Systems (RES) was formed during the 1980s to rejuvenate the market, streamlining and centralising rail mail services, resulting in TPO coverage decreasing over the following years. During the 1990s, the Royal Mail, Britain's main customer for TPOs, ordered 16 four-car British Rail Class 325 electric multiple units to replace locomotive-hauled counterparts in handling parcels. However, wider economic factors, including increasingly effective mechanical sorting methods in comparison to the TPO's manned sorting, along with operational safety concerns, made it increasingly unattractive to continue operating such services. Accordingly, the final regular TPO service in Great Britain was performed on 9 January 2004, with the carriages themselves used sold for scrap or to preservation societies. Since then, the Royal Mail has occasionally transferred some mail by rail, but has preferred using aircraft or road vehicles for doing so.

Is that an answer to my question Woody or just a bit of history? I'm not being funny by the way

[pieoftheday]

Where is it Lou . Trumpton and the 1950's ?

Your office needs looking at.

It took you an hour to come up with that? I mean, you could have edited it into your previous post, but I guess you were proud of it and felt it deserved its own.

Our office is a few weeks into our revision, and despite being short-staffed we are still completing every day. Sounds like a more pleasant office to work in than some on here, which I guess is why I am more keen to vote for a deal that safeguards my job.

No it didn't take an hour, it was an aside.
The more you speak the more unbelievable you sound. However in happy-Land

That's a bit shortsighted dont you think Lou? If your next revision fxxks things up like it did at ours and many other DOs do you think you might think differently? Also your comments seem a bit 'I'm alright Jack' ? Not that that's always a bad thing,depends on your experience I guess

[postslippete]

People were doing 9 hour days on the 9 day fortnight,rurals could stay the same ,they should have lots of different shift patterns to have a work life balance.they could still all start the same time,there are guys in our office who would be happy to job share part time,i don't see what the problem would be,why can't a company accommodate different working patterns,keep your work force happy and it would be surprising how efficient they become.

Yeah, so 9 hours on delivery with the unavoidable later start times could be something like starting deliveries at 8am and finishing at 5pm 4 days a week could be a bit more palatable. At least we would get 3 days off.

[pieoftheday]

People were doing 9 hour days on the 9 day fortnight,rurals could stay the same ,they should have lots of different shift patterns to have a work life balance.they could still all start the same time,there are guys in our office who would be happy to job share part time,i don't see what the problem would be,why can't a company accommodate different working patterns,keep your work force happy and it would be surprising how efficient they become.

Yeah, so 9 hours on delivery with the unavoidable later start times could be something like starting deliveries at 8am and finishing at 5pm 4 days a week could be a bit more palatable. At least we would get 3 days off.

Do you mean a 9hr shift delivering? Or a 9 hr shift?

[postslippete]

Leave the no voters as they are that way everyone is happy

This is the flaw in the thinking of a lot of no voters.
That there is an option that leaves anyone as they are.

What the true fair position would be..

Let the Yes voters accept the terms on offer now.

Let the No voters accept whatever terms are left on the table after the strikes or negotiatons or dispute you intend to have in order to secure a "better agreement".

If you're going to be brave enough to vote No you have to accept the consequences.... good or bad.

If this site was representative of how everyone is feeling in the UK and if the deal gets voted in then there might be some unofficial strikes *if the Union decide to do nothing and RM still push ahead with their changes*. I'm afraid for me that's a no-no.


*edited*

[postslippete]

People were doing 9 hour days on the 9 day fortnight,rurals could stay the same ,they should have lots of different shift patterns to have a work life balance.they could still all start the same time,there are guys in our office who would be happy to job share part time,i don't see what the problem would be,why can't a company accommodate different working patterns,keep your work force happy and it would be surprising how efficient they become.

Yeah, so 9 hours on delivery with the unavoidable later start times could be something like starting deliveries at 8am and finishing at 5pm 4 days a week could be a bit more palatable. At least we would get 3 days off.

Do you mean a 9hr shift delivering? Or a 9 hr shift?

A 9 hour shift obviously. But considering the company have proposed getting rid of frames and bench merging so that there is less indoor work available, all that will mean is more time spent on deliveries. 9 hours x 4 days is 36 hours, so on the winter variation we are still 3 hours short.

I did say on here that we could start instead start earlier and deliver the mail and some of the packets and then come back to the delivery office and deliver the rest of the parcels/mail that will come in later and finish at 3pm?? But I don't think RM want that because it means putting on more lorries and it's not cost effective for the business to run this way. That was why they got rid of 2nd deliveries years ago.

[Woody Guthrie]

Why does mail going via road and rail have to mean it arrives later? As far as I know it always used to travel by rail and road and posties started at 5am?

TPO mate..

During the latter part of the twentieth century, rail mail was subject to various changes. In Britain, Rail Express Systems (RES) was formed during the 1980s to rejuvenate the market, streamlining and centralising rail mail services, resulting in TPO coverage decreasing over the following years. During the 1990s, the Royal Mail, Britain's main customer for TPOs, ordered 16 four-car British Rail Class 325 electric multiple units to replace locomotive-hauled counterparts in handling parcels. However, wider economic factors, including increasingly effective mechanical sorting methods in comparison to the TPO's manned sorting, along with operational safety concerns, made it increasingly unattractive to continue operating such services. Accordingly, the final regular TPO service in Great Britain was performed on 9 January 2004, with the carriages themselves used sold for scrap or to preservation societies. Since then, the Royal Mail has occasionally transferred some mail by rail, but has preferred using aircraft or road vehicles for doing so.

Is that an answer to my question Woody or just a bit of history? I'm not being funny by the way

It's a genuine answer to how they used to achieve 1st class quality with trains and why they stopped it.

It was called the Travelling Post Office, basically a mail centre on wheels, that's what Ronnie Biggs and Co robbed

[pieoftheday]

Why does mail going via road and rail have to mean it arrives later? As far as I know it always used to travel by rail and road and posties started at 5am?

TPO mate..

During the latter part of the twentieth century, rail mail was subject to various changes. In Britain, Rail Express Systems (RES) was formed during the 1980s to rejuvenate the market, streamlining and centralising rail mail services, resulting in TPO coverage decreasing over the following years. During the 1990s, the Royal Mail, Britain's main customer for TPOs, ordered 16 four-car British Rail Class 325 electric multiple units to replace locomotive-hauled counterparts in handling parcels. However, wider economic factors, including increasingly effective mechanical sorting methods in comparison to the TPO's manned sorting, along with operational safety concerns, made it increasingly unattractive to continue operating such services. Accordingly, the final regular TPO service in Great Britain was performed on 9 January 2004, with the carriages themselves used sold for scrap or to preservation societies. Since then, the Royal Mail has occasionally transferred some mail by rail, but has preferred using aircraft or road vehicles for doing so.

Is that an answer to my question Woody or just a bit of history? I'm not being funny by the way

It's a genuine answer to how they used to achieve 1st class quality with trains and why they stopped it.

It was called the Travelling Post Office, basically a mail centre on wheels, that's what Ronnie Biggs and Co robbed

Oh yes I know what they were, I used to load them in the early 90s what I was getting at is why does mail have to arrive later at DOs now that RM aren't moving mail by air? It was perfectly possible before ? What am I missing?

[clashcityrocker]

Tens of thousands of employees on nights.

[pieoftheday]

People were doing 9 hour days on the 9 day fortnight,rurals could stay the same ,they should have lots of different shift patterns to have a work life balance.they could still all start the same time,there are guys in our office who would be happy to job share part time,i don't see what the problem would be,why can't a company accommodate different working patterns,keep your work force happy and it would be surprising how efficient they become.

Yeah, so 9 hours on delivery with the unavoidable later start times could be something like starting deliveries at 8am and finishing at 5pm 4 days a week could be a bit more palatable. At least we would get 3 days off.

Do you mean a 9hr shift delivering? Or a 9 hr shift?

A 9 hour shift obviously. But considering the company have proposed getting rid of frames and bench merging so that there is less indoor work available, all that will mean is more time spent on deliveries. 9 hours x 4 days is 36 hours, so on the winter variation we are still 3 hours short.

I did say on here that we could start instead start earlier and deliver the mail and some of the packets and then come back to the delivery office and deliver the rest of the parcels/mail that will come in later and finish at 3pm?? But I don't think RM want that because it means putting on more lorries and it's not cost effective for the business to run this way. That was why they got rid of 2nd deliveries years ago.

Aah the 2nd delivery, 20 letters tops and home we went I still havnt seen anything proper about bench merging or how it works,is it a myth?

[pieoftheday]

Tens of thousands of employees on nights.

Sorting manually? Not the case now because of automation, so I'm still wondering why? Oh jeez am I really asking this on a Saturday night