Have to vote No

[77SAMPOST77]

Vote no to your pay rise, changes will go through anyway and you will be left with nothing.

How do you know Mystic Meg ? ,

Most people who like me who are against the pathetic sell out agreement have already voted no so stop your pathetic scaremongering .

As opposed to you, who despite having already voted, keep blathering on about the ‘pathetic sell out agreement’ non-stop on-repeat. Makes as much sense as anything you post to be fair.

I keep saying it is a pathetic sell out agreement because that is what it is and also because I know annoys you being a arrogant mister know it all who always likes the last word .

[Woody Guthrie]

What's coming will come whether it's a yes vote or a no vote.

It's which way will slow it down the most that counts.

I think Royal Mail has done all the negotiating they intend to do to be honest.

Would they prefer a deal?
Probably mostly but there are obviously some of Simon's acolytes left on the board who would prefer to go nuclear.

Do they have another six to twelve months to f**k around waiting for us to get a new negotiating team together then ballot again then try to hammer out another deal which the members could also find equally unappealing?

No.

If I were the Royal Mail board I would already have a plan b in case this goes south and it wouldn't involve more talking.

The things I could legally impose I would and the things I might find difficult without an agreement , well I would just double down on the things I could do to make up for the things I couldn't do until I broke the union and its members entirely, then it's just a game of divide and conquer.

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

Who knows maybe I'm wrong and Royal Mail are up for months of uncertainty and shedding customers or maybe they'll just cave in and agree to forget all of their plans and give us all the money.

Maybe these negotiators of ours will suddenly find their A game from somewhere and pull a surprising rabbit from a hat nobody could find in 12 months.

Both scenarios could happen but when you're picking a horse to back you look at form first.

[clashcityrocker]

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

I am just waiting until you log in as Lou Barlow so you can agree with yourself

[freespeech]

What's coming will come whether it's a yes vote or a no vote.

It's which way will slow it down the most that counts.

I think Royal Mail has done all the negotiating they intend to do to be honest.

Would they prefer a deal?
Probably mostly but there are obviously some of Simon's acolytes left on the board who would prefer to go nuclear.

Do they have another six to twelve months to f**k around waiting for us to get a new negotiating team together then ballot again then try to hammer out another deal which the members could also find equally unappealing?

No.

If I were the Royal Mail board I would already have a plan b in case this goes south and it wouldn't involve more talking.

The things I could legally impose I would and the things I might find difficult without an agreement , well I would just double down on the things I could do to make up for the things I couldn't do until I broke the union and its members entirely, then it's just a game of divide and conquer.

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

Who knows maybe I'm wrong and Royal Mail are up for months of uncertainty and shedding customers or maybe they'll just cave in and agree to forget all of their plans and give us all the money.

Maybe these negotiators of ours will suddenly find their A game from somewhere and pull a surprising rabbit from a hat nobody could find in 12 months.

Both scenarios could happen but when you're picking a horse to back you look at form first.

I agree but I still think from a legal perspective the deal has been made and the vote is purely admin for the CWU (although I do accept that RM would prefer to have a yes vote). You can't have collective bargaining if you then have a vote on whether to accept the deal.....it's already signed and agreed. If there is a no vote I wonder whether RM will go ahead anyway on the basis of their legal understanding.

[Woody Guthrie]

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

I am just waiting until you log in as Lou Barlow so you can agree with yourself

Don't encourage them mate.
They're already off the scale paranoid.

[timbo1234]

Weighing it all up, you have to be crazy to vote no....

Voting no =

- The unknown.
- Having to strike and lose more money.
- We might end up with a crapper deal down the line.
- Risk of recession looming, they might not offer the same pay rise again.
- Damages the company more = more chance of less pay being offered.
- Mortgages and rental costs going through the roof, surely most people need the pay rise now and not risk a worse deal coming later.

This change that is happening is inevitable whether you vote yes or no.

There is no chance of us getting an improved offer by voting no, and would cause so much faffing about for many more months.

Vote YES.

SUPPOSITION - you don't know any of this you haven't got a crystal ball just RM and CWU say so,personally i think you'd be crazy to vote yes with lower IHR,under inflation payrise,sick pay attacked, seasonal hours where you wont get paid for 8 months for hours worked,flexibility at RM beck and call,stage warnings lowered and easier to be gotten rid of,conducted on pda actuals, and change of hours where you won't be able to care for your family and work life balance gone with RM owning you,now that's fact we know this, your outcome is hearsay.

GAMBLE - you dont know the consequences of a no vote but we have been told. Obviously you believe in the RM AND CWU conspiracy theory that seems to be an excuse to vote no. So vote no and see what happens if it is a NO vote. I am not willing to gamble.

[Chris19]

Posted my no vote today. Whichever way you want to vote, please use it.

[LouBarlow]

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

I am just waiting until you log in as Lou Barlow so you can agree with yourself

I can’t wait for this either. The irony being 77SAMPOST77 is another of my alt-accounts.

[Trumanity]

Weighing it all up, you have to be crazy to vote no....

Voting no =

- The unknown.
- Having to strike and lose more money.
- We might end up with a crapper deal down the line.
- Risk of recession looming, they might not offer the same pay rise again.
- Damages the company more = more chance of less pay being offered.
- Mortgages and rental costs going through the roof, surely most people need the pay rise now and not risk a worse deal coming later.

This change that is happening is inevitable whether you vote yes or no.

There is no chance of us getting an improved offer by voting no, and would cause so much faffing about for many more months.

Vote YES.

Spot on. We may as well get something out of a bad situation. The company will get all their change regardless and the agreement will be ditched within a year, with more change coming. The CWU are powerless to stop this. If you are planning on staying, stay flexible and take the deal now! Vote YES. At least we recover some of our losses. Look forward to a really well funded CDC pension scheme too.

[scotchy1962]

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

I am just waiting until you log in as Lou Barlow so you can agree with yourself

Don't encourage them mate.
They're already off the scale paranoid.

Just a question for you Woody.
I am pretty sure you have stated that you aren't that happy with the deal, but you feel that you must support the unions view that it's the best deal that they can get and the alternative is much worse.
I know that the union has had a peek at the books and were suitably horrified and believe what they looked at as the truth.
Now i am sure you will accept that this is pretty much the whole basis for accepting this deal or certainly the overriding factor.
We know these characters are liberal with the truth, yet they believe them.
Look at the first joint statement, i rest my case.
How many times do RM have to just tell the union porkies before they actually do something about it?
Next pay talks, next week, next month or who knows when.
Forget about the vote at the moment, who within this union has the wherewithal to stand up and call these people out?
Every dispute will be a slaughter for the workforce unless there's a change.
Genuinely can't see a way out for them now and am as concerned for the unions future never mind RM.

[Riclownz]

Ok so RM are still losing money? despite giving away millions
to shareholders, building two new super hubs at a cost
over a billon £ and buying a company during covid for Millions (Rosenau logistics) how does this then stack up that RM are pleading poverty and people believing that casting no vote means we are destroying the business. Revisions came in at our office today done over the weekend no communication to the posties doing the deliveries bearing in mind that some of them had been doing those rounds for years.
We all know changes are needed but communications the key
bearing in mind we’re the ones doing the job

[kazardaimenu]

They’ve asked the question ‘do you endorse the agreement’ and I can’t say that I do.

[blacov]

With a heavy heart I must say that RM and CWU gave us no option but to vote yes. When the deal came out I said there is no way I can vote for it. I still feel this way but given how toothless our union leaders are and that RM regardless of our vote can bring in changes they see fit I am voting yes.

I have done more than 10 years and it was a good job not that long ago. This is no longer job worth having so I am voting yes, cancelling my subs and I will very likely leave at an earliest opportunity.
I can see that cwu has no plan b and they will disappear together with Royal Mail we used know.
Time to get whatever money they throwing at us and jump this sinking ship. I bet many people who are too far away to claim pension will do the same.

[payetwhu]

I’ve voted no

[guardianangel]

What's coming will come whether it's a yes vote or a no vote.

It's which way will slow it down the most that counts.

I think Royal Mail has done all the negotiating they intend to do to be honest.

Would they prefer a deal?
Probably mostly but there are obviously some of Simon's acolytes left on the board who would prefer to go nuclear.

Do they have another six to twelve months to f**k around waiting for us to get a new negotiating team together then ballot again then try to hammer out another deal which the members could also find equally unappealing?

No.

If I were the Royal Mail board I would already have a plan b in case this goes south and it wouldn't involve more talking.

The things I could legally impose I would and the things I might find difficult without an agreement , well I would just double down on the things I could do to make up for the things I couldn't do until I broke the union and its members entirely, then it's just a game of divide and conquer.

Still it's only an opinion.... probably just doom and glooming or scaremongering or something like that.

Who knows maybe I'm wrong and Royal Mail are up for months of uncertainty and shedding customers or maybe they'll just cave in and agree to forget all of their plans and give us all the money.

Maybe these negotiators of ours will suddenly find their A game from somewhere and pull a surprising rabbit from a hat nobody could find in 12 months.

Both scenarios could happen but when you're picking a horse to back you look at form first.

A good analogy ,we know what we get voting yes ,worse conditions more bullying and harassment,poorer t's and c's and a decrease in wages, if we vote NO no one knows what we get. It will be come a s**t job with more walking ,i've always been a bit of a gambler i can get a s**t job anytime so im willing to take a punt on a NO ,if i was to go on form i wouldn't vote on anything Royal Mail have drawn up because they have got lots of form for breaking agreements.