Have to vote No

[claystones]

The cwu cocked up big time with there strikes one days strikes were a joke one of the strike days was a Tuesday what a joke how was a Tuesday going to damage royal mail they have been in bed together from the start get out of this s**t union they look after themselves

[guardianangel]

And if it is a no vote then what, the changes are still going to happen so we might as well get a pay rise for it while we still can, and also to keep a job and to have money paid into our pensions

Royal Mail and CWU rhetoric,no one knows what a No vote will look like the legalities of some of the deal are questionable,if the changes were lawful and above board do you really think they would have spent a year talking to the CWU,wake up they need the workforce on board,the CWU need their cushy offices and jobs they will tell you anything ,the scaremongering is through the roof,in for a penny in for a pound i've taken a punt on a NO ,no one's going to die and its only a job surely its better to hold out for a good job ,i can go and get a s**t one anytime.

[guardianangel]

The minute Royal Mail made it clear to the CWU leaders how a no vote would impact on themselves ,the terrible deal suddenly became acceptable,Dave Ward has reneged and backtracked on so many things we were fighting against right from the start,What happened to win the ballot win the dispute,we will get u a no strings attached pay deal members deserve,no attacks on terms & conditions,all these promises by CWU helped them to a massive 97% Yes vote from the members,in my opinion it looks like the CWU have sold us out to preserve their own jobs,for this reason I have to vote NO

Do you really think voting No is going to change anything, it's not like RM are them going to forget all about the late starts etc if we vote No.

SUPPOSITION,no one knows what a NO vote will look like unlike the yes vote,take a punt on a NO what have you got to lose.

[guardianangel]

If it’s a no vote we put up a stronger fight and use our strike mandate like the CWU was up for prior to them going into self preservation mode,remember the best and final offer was improved on,they’re was no more money in the pot but then the £900 carrot was dangled,Dave Ward and his team talked a good battle but when it came to the crunch they weren’t up for the fight and lay down and got their belly tickled by RM

[guardianangel]

It will be a yes,as someone else said probably about 70% yes it is what it isni boted no if gets really bad as expected then find something else just have to plod on for as long as possible.

Personally i think it could be 60% NO but the worse case scenario is a brexit style outcome 52/48 where the hell will that leave the union and company with half not giving a flying f--- and production hits the floor.

[guardianangel]

Weighing it all up, you have to be crazy to vote no....

Voting no =

- The unknown.
- Having to strike and lose more money.
- We might end up with a crapper deal down the line.
- Risk of recession looming, they might not offer the same pay rise again.
- Damages the company more = more chance of less pay being offered.
- Mortgages and rental costs going through the roof, surely most people need the pay rise now and not risk a worse deal coming later.

This change that is happening is inevitable whether you vote yes or no.

There is no chance of us getting an improved offer by voting no, and would cause so much faffing about for many more months.

Vote YES.

SUPPOSITION - you don't know any of this you haven't got a crystal ball just RM and CWU say so,personally i think you'd be crazy to vote yes with lower IHR,under inflation payrise,sick pay attacked, seasonal hours where you wont get paid for 8 months for hours worked,flexibility at RM beck and call,stage warnings lowered and easier to be gotten rid of,conducted on pda actuals, and change of hours where you won't be able to care for your family and work life balance gone with RM owning you,now that's fact we know this, your outcome is hearsay.

[guardianangel]

I voted no, the deal is a sell out, it will get voted in regardless. I can't have it on my conscious that I voted yes to this garbage, so many red lines the union wouldn't back down on and they have. If you would have told me at the start of striking this would have been the outcome then I would have crossed the picket line, union have been weak and utterly useless. All that Royal Mail want will come in anyway but I'm not prepared to sell my soul cos of a £900 bribe. All that money they made during Covid and I will never forget the shitty working conditions we had to put up with, they didn't give a s**t about our health and safety while they stayed at home filling there pockets. So I voted no f**k Royal Mail and f**k the union I've done other jobs before this been a postie for last 10 years if it goes it's up then so be it there's other jobs out there. It's just a job

Couldn't of put it better myself

[guardianangel]

If it’s a no vote we put up a stronger fight and use our strike mandate like the CWU was up for prior to them going into self preservation mode,remember the best and final offer was improved on,they’re was no more money in the pot but then the £900 carrot was dangled,Dave Ward and his team talked a good battle but when it came to the crunch they weren’t up for the fight and lay down and got their belly tickled by RM

How much stronger a fight do we have to put up, than striking at Christmas? How much support do you think you would have for an all out indefinite strike, and what do you think that would achieve, considering we are working for a company that is bleeding money? I’m honestly interested in how you would proceed at this point.

97 % voted to carry on the strike how much more support do you think is needed.

[Boltonian-White]

If it’s a no vote we put up a stronger fight and use our strike mandate like the CWU was up for prior to them going into self preservation mode,remember the best and final offer was improved on,they’re was no more money in the pot but then the £900 carrot was dangled,Dave Ward and his team talked a good battle but when it came to the crunch they weren’t up for the fight and lay down and got their belly tickled by RM

How much stronger a fight do we have to put up, than striking at Christmas? How much support do you think you would have for an all out indefinite strike, and what do you think that would achieve, considering we are working for a company that is bleeding money? I’m honestly interested in how you would proceed at this point.

97 % voted to carry on the strike how much more support do you think is needed.

x7 posts in a row. Well done you win a cookie

[grchpo]

It seems 18 days of strikes meant nothing, & don't forget next year's pay rise already agreed at 2%.. Ffs it's got to be no

[thefox]

It will be a yes,as someone else said probably about 70% yes it is what it isni boted no if gets really bad as expected then find something else just have to plod on for as long as possible.

Personally i think it could be 60% NO but the worse case scenario is a brexit style outcome 52/48 where the hell will that leave the union and company with half not giving a flying f--- and production hits the floor.

I was sure it would have been a no vote but the extra cash will sway it also all the it will all come in anyway doom and gloom might as well get summit out of it,thing is if they can bring it in if its a no vote then why give us 8% over 2 years plus both lump sums just give us an enforced 2% and lay down the law about seasonals and the rest of it your doing it or we will fire and rehire etc etc

[scotchy1962]

Hmmm more of the same, can we have a alternative to "what are your alternative to this agreement".
I think we have established that if it's a NO vote, Plan B is anything but Plan A.
We all must accept, no matter what way the vote falls, that we will all have to respect the result.
If there is one thing we have learned after returning some of the biggest numbers ever in strike votes, they count for nothing if the ones behind it can't or won't follow through on your behalf, we need a change or RM won't be the only thing in difficulties.

[chickenwittle]

Voted No , ballot posted

[richj2009]

Tried to vote yes but I simply can't vote yes to a reduction in sick terms. I know it's futile as it would happen anyway but I can't put my cross in favour of that. With later and later starts on the horizon accidents will be more regular than before trying to deliver in the dark. Whatever protections this so called deal may provide all end in 2025 anyway. I know its probably silly but I can't willfully agree to that. A major red line in my eyes.

[R5001]

Could only read so far.

It was more difficult than I'd like, but NO, won it for my ticket, I've posted it and it's done.

If it so happens that yes wins, then I'll have to have a think, but I'll stay for the free money while it's there. If no... Well, if the place collapses, or thrives, I made my choice as I believed. I would hope that a successful no results in a complete union-head-office revote or whatever you'd call it. Win or lose, I would rather this than accept the shitshow we're miring under.