The case for a No Vote - Monday 7pm

[enskied]

Aiden is clueless.

[aiden01]

Aiden is clueless.

What

[enskied]

Sorry Aiden,
You are so easily offended. Yet you provoke so many on here. You are the first to react with a derogatory comment towards anyone who disagrees with you. You are a snowflake Aiden

[aiden01]

Sorry Aiden,
You are so easily offended. Yet you provoke so many on here. You are the first to react with a derogatory comment towards anyone who disagrees with you. You are a snowflake Aiden

In what way have i provoked or offended anyone as for being a snowflake. keyboard warrior ive said it many times dont reply with something you would not say to my face.also why i started thread this site not too many on there replying to try an bully people. you all know who you are last reply you get

[LouBarlow]

Already voted no .

Shocked

I have to admit, I am amazed he managed to tick the right box given his post history. Like pinning the tail on the donkey.

[aiden01]

Already voted no .

Shocked

I have to admit, I am amazed he managed to tick the right box given his post history. Like pinning the tail on the donkey.

Lou have to be honest no point anymore replying to the keyboard warriors all on my foe list now

[enskied]

Sorry Aiden,
You are so easily offended. Yet you provoke so many on here. You are the first to react with a derogatory comment towards anyone who disagrees with you. You are a snowflake Aiden

In what way have i provoked or offended anyone as for being a snowflake. keyboard warrior ive said it many times dont reply with something you would not say to my face.also why i started thread this site not too many on there replying to try an bully people. you all know who you are last reply you get

Aiden. You are constantly in conflict with anyone who holds a different view. You are passive aggressive..

Try talking to people, rather than being superior.

[The Postman]

'No' vote returned.

How could anyone endorse an agreement that sees our terms and conditions worsened like that. Lump sums are no good in my eyes, they don't reward you with year on year earnings and they don't flow through to pensions.

So many unanswered questions in the live q&a that promised to answer everything. Feeling angry and let down by the cwu.

All the people who have commitments outside of work such as childcare could be looking at having to leave the business anyway, so no compulsory redundancies was a non issue. The real issues are start times, annualised hours and compulsory flex which will come later. Forcing people to work harder for longer, then reducing the sick pay and ihr terms knowing fine well that people will have more short and long term injuries due to their unachievable workloads.

Forcing the existing better paid workers out and replacing them with people on less money who won't stick around.

That's the future of Royal Mail.

[postslippete]

'No' vote returned.

How could anyone endorse an agreement that sees our terms and conditions worsened like that. Lump sums are no good in my eyes, they don't reward you with year on year earnings and they don't flow through to pensions.

So many unanswered questions in the live q&a that promised to answer everything. Feeling angry and let down by the cwu.

All the people who have commitments outside of work such as childcare could be looking at having to leave the business anyway, so no compulsory redundancies was a non issue. The real issues are start times, annualised hours and compulsory flex which will come later. Forcing people to work harder for longer, then reducing the sick pay and ihr terms knowing fine well that people will have more short and long term injuries due to their unachievable workloads.

Forcing the existing better paid workers out and replacing them with people on less money who won't stick around.

That's the future of Royal Mail.

Unfortunately, the Union leadership have let us down and there is a lot of waffle in the live video. I'm a bit annoyed that on the one hand they don't like Royal Mail saying that its "their business to run" and yet on the other have agreed with almost everything the company said regarding its a business and those people who cannot finish later have been left at the mercy of finding their own ways round this. I can see a lot of people leaving because management are only concerned with pushing this operation through regardless of people's concerns.

Also, what Dave Ward said about people starting on less pay that they probably won't stick around means that they are accepting the company will likely have a high turnover of staff. They have tried to redress that in the deal with vague promises of levelling these staff up but considering that there are a lot of staff who have been working full-time on part-time contracts for years, I can't see this scenario changing anytime soon.

[LouBarlow]

'No' vote returned.

How could anyone endorse an agreement that sees our terms and conditions worsened like that. Lump sums are no good in my eyes, they don't reward you with year on year earnings and they don't flow through to pensions.

So many unanswered questions in the live q&a that promised to answer everything. Feeling angry and let down by the cwu.

All the people who have commitments outside of work such as childcare could be looking at having to leave the business anyway, so no compulsory redundancies was a non issue. The real issues are start times, annualised hours and compulsory flex which will come later. Forcing people to work harder for longer, then reducing the sick pay and ihr terms knowing fine well that people will have more short and long term injuries due to their unachievable workloads.

Forcing the existing better paid workers out and replacing them with people on less money who won't stick around.

That's the future of Royal Mail.

Voting no will not stop change. It will only ensure that your union has no say in it, and you and I will be worse off.

[SpacePhoenix]

'No' vote returned.

How could anyone endorse an agreement that sees our terms and conditions worsened like that. Lump sums are no good in my eyes, they don't reward you with year on year earnings and they don't flow through to pensions.

So many unanswered questions in the live q&a that promised to answer everything. Feeling angry and let down by the cwu.

All the people who have commitments outside of work such as childcare could be looking at having to leave the business anyway, so no compulsory redundancies was a non issue. The real issues are start times, annualised hours and compulsory flex which will come later. Forcing people to work harder for longer, then reducing the sick pay and ihr terms knowing fine well that people will have more short and long term injuries due to their unachievable workloads.

Forcing the existing better paid workers out and replacing them with people on less money who won't stick around.

That's the future of Royal Mail.

Voting no will not stop change. It will only ensure that your union has no say in it, and you and I will be worse off.

The union has f**k all say anyway

[LouBarlow]

'No' vote returned.

How could anyone endorse an agreement that sees our terms and conditions worsened like that. Lump sums are no good in my eyes, they don't reward you with year on year earnings and they don't flow through to pensions.

So many unanswered questions in the live q&a that promised to answer everything. Feeling angry and let down by the cwu.

All the people who have commitments outside of work such as childcare could be looking at having to leave the business anyway, so no compulsory redundancies was a non issue. The real issues are start times, annualised hours and compulsory flex which will come later. Forcing people to work harder for longer, then reducing the sick pay and ihr terms knowing fine well that people will have more short and long term injuries due to their unachievable workloads.

Forcing the existing better paid workers out and replacing them with people on less money who won't stick around.

That's the future of Royal Mail.

Voting no will not stop change. It will only ensure that your union has no say in it, and you and I will be worse off.

The union has f**k all say anyway

Nonsense. You wouldn’t have a potential pay-rise and £1400 lump sum without their involvement. And you would have far more changes in your future than those in the agreement.

[thefox]

I honestly can't believe how many people think the union is gonna have a say in the way the company is run after the surrender document is endorsed,why would r.m think that they need the cwu approval on anything they have beaten the union.

[Bob Cooney]

Nobody thinks it’s a good deal but there is clearly nothing better available! The union has spent over a year trying to get the best deal it can and this is it. The changes are coming! Voting no will not stop this, neither will future strike action.
If you vote no you are jeopardising your own and everyone else’s future.
The business is telling you there is no better alternative. The CWU is telling you there is no better alternative but a handful of keyboard warriors who have no known credentials or expertise are telling you to vote no.
It is obvious that a no vote is foolhardy and pointless.

Keyboard warrior cliche Dave Ward and fat Furey etc used to be posties can you tell me when they suddenly knew better ? Was it when they started to pick up huge salaries ? There is no alternative is basically Thatcherism there is always alternatives and in RM case the answer lies with government regulations and not CEO s of RM but that's not the fight or the case the CWU leadership made and they have boxed themselves in with the help of Keith Williams and Brendan Barber who will see a YES vote as a stepping stone to franchises so there is no job security by voting YES

[Bob Cooney]

Nobody thinks it’s a good deal but there is clearly nothing better available! The union has spent over a year trying to get the best deal it can and this is it. The changes are coming! Voting no will not stop this, neither will future strike action.
If you vote no you are jeopardising your own and everyone else’s future.
The business is telling you there is no better alternative. The CWU is telling you there is no better alternative but a handful of keyboard warriors who have no known credentials or expertise are telling you to vote no.
It is obvious that a no vote is foolhardy and pointless.

Keyboard warrior cliche Dave Ward and fat Furey etc used to be posties can you tell me when they suddenly knew better ? Was it when they started to pick up huge salaries ? There is no alternative is basically Thatcherism there is always alternatives and in RM case the answer lies with government regulations and not CEO s of RM but that's not the fight or the case the CWU leadership made and they have boxed themselves in with the help of Keith Williams and Brendan Barber who will see a YES vote as a stepping stone to franchises so there is no job security by voting YES