How much redundancy do we get when RM goes broke?

[scoobydo79]

I genuinely see the no voters point of view. I just feel this ship is sinking fast, a yes or no vote will still result in the same outcome.

Possibly the most sensible comment I have seen on here for some time.

[toonshola]

I am so glad i am out soon - working with selfish c*nts like you did my head in , i bet you are one of the dickheads who come in early for nothing , run around the office like headless chickens, do not take breaks and work till all hours just so your manager will pat your arse and say well done lou my lovely ! YOU MAKE ME SICK !

Few of them in our office, start 45/60 mins early and skip their morning break then sit around bitching how slow everyone is. Managers always reference these creatures when you try to hand back. Selfish c***s screwing over their fellow workers.

[SpacePhoenix]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

[richietns]

I genuinely see the no voters point of view. I just feel this ship is sinking fast, a yes or no vote will still result in the same outcome.

Possibly the most sensible comment I have seen on here for some time.

But without pay rise/lump sum agreed starting/finish times,and an even faster race to the bottom.

[richietns]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

It could be upto three they originally wanted with a no vote.

[SpacePhoenix]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

It could be upto three they originally wanted with a no vote.

Think it's 30 days notice and a maximum of 1hr in one hit so over the course of 90 days they could bring in the 3hrs later starts anyway

[LouBarlow]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

It could be upto three they originally wanted with a no vote.

Exactly. People seem to think that things will remain how they are now if they vote against the agreement. Starting times will change regardless, potentially by more than the one hour dictated by the agreement. Seasonal variation will still happen. Sick pay changes will still be implemented (RM have already stated this) and without an agreement, we will be facing this reality without more money to show for it.

[priority102]

I think the the yes camp are getting worried they aint getting their 900 quid

And when they get it all it will be is moan, moan, moan at the tax and NI that's been deducted from it.

I have never known such gullible people, RM know full well that all they have to do in any negotiation is to dangle the old lump sum money carrot and it's immediately chewed on. It really is their trump card.

[ted_e_bear]

I am so glad i am out soon - working with selfish c*nts like you did my head in , i bet you are one of the dickheads who come in early for nothing , run around the office like headless chickens, do not take breaks and work till all hours just so your manager will pat your arse and say well done lou my lovely ! YOU MAKE ME SICK !

Few of them in our office, start 45/60 mins early and skip their morning break then sit around bitching how slow everyone is. Managers always reference these creatures when you try to hand back. Selfish c***s screwing over their fellow workers.

Fortunately we've only got a couple of extreme offenders, 45 minutes early everything thrown in including parcels loaded in the van, then there's the not so extreme offenders, in 10mins early to get the 1st tray of sequenced in before starting time, still no break, problem is these f***ers especially the extreme ones are finishing early, (the duties aren't easy it's just they're like machines obsessed with one thing only, finishing early) so of course there's now a rumour that the coms been told to lapse another duty, f***ing brilliant news for us older slowbies.

[richietns]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

It could be upto three they originally wanted with a no vote.

Think it's 30 days notice and a maximum of 1hr in one hit so over the course of 90 days they could bring in the 3hrs later starts anyway

But they aren't doing it now as they proposed,we all know well most of us that changes are coming later down the line every business is forced to change with the economic needs and its a two year deal so highly unlikely they will do the 90 day thing.

[postieblueshirt]

redundancy is the better option than working under these crap conditions - for anyone who wants to see the future at RM watch the film "something for you" HORRENDOUS and it is coming to you soon !

Speak for yourself. Some of us are happy to work under these conditions, but selfish people like yourself jeopardise this.

Why is he/she/they/him/her/etc selfish for having a different opinion than you? Maybe it should be the other way rounf? Selfish people like you who vote "yes" and f**k it up for the rest of us.

It isn’t about having a different opinion, it is about having a wrong one. A no vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it. It isn’t a matter of opinion. RM, the CWU and the PEC are all saying this.

A yes vote jeopardises the job for those of us who want to continue doing it also. People with commitments outside the new hours will have to leave, I'm not agreeing to a change of contract for anything less than I stand to lose week on week, and it's a damn lot more than what's on offer. I get it though, YOU'RE tired of fighting and they broke you. But I've still got loads left to give.

You pretend that voting no prevents any of that. If the deal is thrown out you will still have your starting time changed, and potentially more than the one hour as was RM’s initial plan. They haven’t broken anything. It isn’t a fight.

Even with a yes vote, it proably won't be long before start times are made over an hour later anyway

It could be upto three they originally wanted with a no vote.

Exactly. People seem to think that things will remain how they are now if they vote against the agreement. Starting times will change regardless, potentially by more than the one hour dictated by the agreement. Seasonal variation will still happen. Sick pay changes will still be implemented (RM have already stated this) and without an agreement, we will be facing this reality without more money to show for it.

Your missing the point lou people (like me) have to much pride and are very stubborn.NOBODY is under the impression things will stay the same with a no vote.I would love the money and with 2 kids wife house etc etc I could do with it.But I have to much pride to take the money so I voted no just to see what happens nothing more nothing less.WE ALL KNOW the job is ruined so please stop trying to educate every adult on here who can quite clearly think for themselves.And yes I'd rather cut my nose to spite my face.

[richietns]

You might as well get some money out of it though postieblue they gonna press forward anyway.

[postieblueshirt]

You might as well get some money out of it though postieblue they gonna press forward anyway.

Who cares I won't miss what I never had money isn't everything.

[timbo1234]

I am so glad i am out soon - working with selfish c*nts like you did my head in , i bet you are one of the dickheads who come in early for nothing , run around the office like headless chickens, do not take breaks and work till all hours just so your manager will pat your arse and say well done lou my lovely ! YOU MAKE ME SICK !

Well written, logical, structured comment for a no vote. So your plan after a no vote is for a vigilante group armed with baseball bats to go to RM Headquarters demanding no change to t&c and a20% payrise backdated. If RM don't agree you first start swearing and ranting then if that doesn't work you smash the place up. Comments like yours only serve to divide the workforce which plays right into RM'S hands. They are also very childlike.

[richietns]

You might as well get some money out of it though postieblue they gonna press forward anyway.

Who cares I won't miss what I never had money isn't everything.

To down play that money isn't everything is wrong its probably ONE of the most important things in society under family happiness etc.