CWU : Ballot papers start to land from today : BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT - CWU MEMBERS BALLOT - VOTE YES

[LouBarlow]

I did mine and voted yes having debated in my mind what to do over the last few months. What's the alternative? Royal Mail will impose the change they want to anyway with far worse conditions, and it probably destroys the union and splits the workforce. It ain't ideal as I like the status quo, but where are where we are.

Royal Mail are planning on imposing the changes either way that you vote you just have more of a bargaining chip if you vote no

As for the union… what is the point of having a union that doesn’t defend our terms and conditions

Get it through your head. There is no more bargaining to be done. Both RM and the CWU have acquiesced on this deal. There is no more ground to give either way. Vote yes, earn a few more quid and accept that a failing business needs to make changes, or vote no and turn down any financial benefit, and contribute directly to speeding up said decline, all the while having your terms and conditions decimated anyway.

[Jen1]

I did mine and voted yes having debated in my mind what to do over the last few months. What's the alternative? Royal Mail will impose the change they want to anyway with far worse conditions, and it probably destroys the union and splits the workforce. It ain't ideal as I like the status quo, but where are where we are.

Royal Mail are planning on imposing the changes either way that you vote you just have more of a bargaining chip if you vote no

As for the union… what is the point of having a union that doesn’t defend our terms and conditions

Get it through your head. There is no more bargaining to be done. Both RM and the CWU have acquiesced on this deal. There is no more ground to give either way. Vote yes, earn a few more quid and accept that a failing business needs to make changes, or vote no and turn down any financial benefit, and contribute directly to speeding up said decline, all the while having your terms and conditions decimated anyway.

Most posties will still be in this job after the board have moved on to play at being businessmen (and women) somewhere else

Abandoning the am delivery period is a huge mistake for a company who has a brand image of working early in the morning

It’s in the lyrics of postman Pat for christs sake

[yellowbelly]

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Abandoning the am delivery period is a huge mistake for a company who has a brand image of working early in the morning

It’s in the lyrics of postman Pat for christs sake

This is irrelevant for anyone under the age of sixty I would imagine......

[timbo1234]

YES. Vote with what your head tells you based on the facts that the CWU have presented. Don't vote based on your anger. RM have been right up for this dispute. They wanted it as opportunity to reduce union involvement with a view to dividing the workforce. Anyone with a single brain cell knows that RM will not re-negotiate anything. Unofficial action is against the law and anyone involved will be summarily sacked. Think seriously not in anger but in cold logic.

[denowashere]

Single brain cell you say look in the mirror you vote yes you are nothing more than a management cash cow , hire and fire at will, terms and conditions hard fought for in the past ( probably you never took part in them strikes) read carefully before you vote yes because once it's gone it's gone for good.

[dazzler123]

Big fat colossal ghetto assed sized gargantuan NO from me. Thanks

[Acca Dacca]

We keep being told that RM wanted to completely obliterate the union and not have them involved in the workplace and that if we don’t get this agreement through then there will be no point calling anymore strikes and they will steamroller through all their changes anyway

Why do they need the agreement then? If they really do think it’s “our business to run” then why don’t they just steamroll ahead, get the union bashed with no say in the future going forward and bring in everything they want and more and without having to pay the pay rise?

What’s in it for Royal Mail because if you believe the union, we are now powerless to stop them anyway without co operation and agreement

Unless of course it’s not as easy as we are being led to believe to bring about the changes they want

I’ve never heard a union show their hand in such a way and all but state that there will be no fight back - why are they peddling this now?

[pieoftheday]

We keep being told that RM wanted to completely obliterate the union and not have them involved in the workplace and that if we don’t get this agreement through then there will be no point calling anymore strikes and they will steamroller through all their changes anyway

Why do they need the agreement then? If they really do think it’s “our business to run” then why don’t they just steamroll ahead, get the union bashed with no say in the future going forward and bring in everything they want and more and without having to pay the pay rise?

What’s in it for Royal Mail because if you believe the union, we are now powerless to stop them anyway without co operation and agreement

Unless of course it’s not as easy as we are being led to believe to bring about the changes they want

I’ve never heard a union show their hand in such a way and all but state that there will be no fight back - why are they peddling this now?

It's odd isn't it ,I remember seeing DW on sky with kay Burley and thought he'll see us ok,of course I wasn't expecting a 10% pay rise and 20 weeks leave a year but other than comit to deliver dissappearing what's to vote yes for? I really thought the CWU would have done better

[timbo1234]

Single brain cell you say look in the mirror you vote yes you are nothing more than a management cash cow , hire and fire at will, terms and conditions hard fought for in the past ( probably you never took part in them strikes) read carefully before you vote yes because once it's gone it's gone for good.

My dad was a Postie. My grandad was a Postie. Don't make assumptions about me. I can remember my dad on strike for weeks. Also insulting people is not a reason to vote no. It is what you and people like you resort to when they have no alternative strategy. Vote no and take a gamble with the future. Your call.

[clashcityrocker]

terms and conditions hard fought for in the past ( probably you never took part in them strikes)

What terms and conditions were hard fought for. What strikes brought them about?

[DirtyHarry]

I couldn't vote for that deal. Not in a million years.

No.

[RTP]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

And if everyone in your office is not in agreement what then?

Serious question. We are not all in the same boat.

That’s the gamble and that’s why you have a gate meeting first and probably best to have an anonymous vote on it

Royal Mail are betting that we are not that unified and so won’t be able to pull it off

But if those start/finish times change many people in our office will not be able to afford to come to work so many people have nothing to lose as they’ll be losing their jobs anyway

This is the time we really need our union to step in and step up

I doubt any rep would put their head in the firing line in your scenario if a yes vote wins. The rep would be the first to be suspended for going against both the union and RM agreement. Most or all of you would then be suspended. Workers from other offices would be sent in along with agency to get the office back up to date. You really need to think about things carefully.

[SWIM]

NO

[SpacePhoenix]

I doubt any rep would put their head in the firing line in your scenario if a yes vote wins. The rep would be the first to be suspended for going against both the union and RM agreement. Most or all of you would then be suspended. Workers from other offices would be sent in along with agency to get the office back up to date. You really need to think about things carefully.

There's no way that any DO would send any staff in that scenario as they'll need them just to be able to keep up with their own workloads.

I wonder what the average % of vacancies there are in DOs nationally atm. It wouldn't surprise me if it were at least 10-15%

[jahbalon]

You know it makes sense. A YES VOTE guarantees our jobs, protects our working conditions, and gives us a significant lump sum payment, as a financial safety net in these very trying and worrying times.

A few howling coyotes on this forum ain't going to stop the TSUNAMI YES VOTE that is coming