CWU : Ballot papers start to land from today : BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT - CWU MEMBERS BALLOT - VOTE YES

[twoloops]

It’s a big NO from me Jeff

[Nickvilla20]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

[aiden01]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

do you really believe there will be mass walkouts.

[Jen1]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

To vote yes in this ballot feels like I'd be a turkey voting for Xmas, it's an awful reduction of our T&Cs for an awful pay deal, where most of the pay increase we get is a one-off £1500 pro-rata "bribe" that contributes a big fat zero to future pay deals/increases. I'd give the yes vote more consideration if that £1500 was an equivalent % increase to our contracted pay, but even then it would be doubtful because of T&Cs.

If our union is prepared to drop our T&Cs so much now to end this past year of industrial action and recommend we vote yes to this deal, I dread to think what they are prepared to give away next time, or what extra we will need to do.

I honesty wouldn't be surprised for us to be voting on "commit to deliver" next time (you stay out until you have attempted delivery to every address), with or without a correction to the many awful revisions that have taken place this year, making many duties unachievable by some margin.

No.

[Seymour Buts]

I did mine and voted yes having debated in my mind what to do over the last few months. What's the alternative? Royal Mail will impose the change they want to anyway with far worse conditions, and it probably destroys the union and splits the workforce. It ain't ideal as I like the status quo, but where are where we are.

[Jen1]

I did mine and voted yes having debated in my mind what to do over the last few months. What's the alternative? Royal Mail will impose the change they want to anyway with far worse conditions, and it probably destroys the union and splits the workforce. It ain't ideal as I like the status quo, but where are where we are.

Royal Mail are planning on imposing the changes either way that you vote you just have more of a bargaining chip if you vote no

As for the union… what is the point of having a union that doesn’t defend our terms and conditions

[RTP]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

And if everyone in your office is not in agreement what then?

Serious question. We are not all in the same boat.

[Jen1]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

And if everyone in your office is not in agreement what then?

Serious question. We are not all in the same boat.

That’s the gamble and that’s why you have a gate meeting first and probably best to have an anonymous vote on it

Royal Mail are betting that we are not that unified and so won’t be able to pull it off

But if those start/finish times change many people in our office will not be able to afford to come to work so many people have nothing to lose as they’ll be losing their jobs anyway

This is the time we really need our union to step in and step up

[despotguyver]

Simples.

Vote yes, or agree with the absolutely batshit crazy socialist website people and the seven idiots in a supposed "rank and file" committee that reckon they can get a better deal.

Especially when RM themselves have said there is no more negotiating.

You'd have to be absolutely deranged to vote no.

[aiden01]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

Utter nonsense

[sweepster70]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

And if everyone in your office is not in agreement what then?

Serious question. We are not all in the same boat.

That’s the gamble and that’s why you have a gate meeting first and probably best to have an anonymous vote on it

Royal Mail are betting that we are not that unified and so won’t be able to pull it off

But if those start/finish times change many people in our office will not be able to afford to come to work so many people have nothing to lose as they’ll be losing their jobs anyway

This is the time we really need our union to step in and step up

You really do make me laugh.
You're from one of those freaky, lefty organisations. You do not work for Royal Mail.

[aiden01]

To vote yes in this ballot feels like I'd be a turkey voting for Xmas, it's an awful reduction of our T&Cs for an awful pay deal, where most of the pay increase we get is a one-off £1500 pro-rata "bribe" that contributes a big fat zero to future pay deals/increases. I'd give the yes vote more consideration if that £1500 was an equivalent % increase to our contracted pay, but even then it would be doubtful because of T&Cs.

If our union is prepared to drop our T&Cs so much now to end this past year of industrial action and recommend we vote yes to this deal, I dread to think what they are prepared to give away next time, or what extra we will need to do.

I honesty wouldn't be surprised for us to be voting on "commit to deliver" next time (you stay out until you have attempted delivery to every address), with or without a correction to the many awful revisions that have taken place this year, making many duties unachievable by some margin.

No.

Please show me the £1500 bribe where is it..

[aiden01]

I did mine and voted yes having debated in my mind what to do over the last few months. What's the alternative? Royal Mail will impose the change they want to anyway with far worse conditions, and it probably destroys the union and splits the workforce. It ain't ideal as I like the status quo, but where are where we are.

Royal Mail are planning on imposing the changes either way that you vote you just have more of a bargaining chip if you vote no

As for the union… what is the point of having a union that doesn’t defend our terms and conditions

If rm are going to impose the changes how have you got more of a bargaining chip by voting no.

[Nickvilla20]

It’s a no from me

Bring on the gate meetings and mass walkouts when you try change our start/finish times

We won’t have a mandate to strike though. The ballot runs out in August and the PEC won’t be calling anyone strike so any walkout will be a wildcat one and people will be out the door.

There won’t be anymore strikes we tried that and it failed.

You don’t have to strike you can just refuse to work the new hours

State your reasons, hand it to your union representative, make sure everyone in your office is in agreement and all do the same

If they try to dismiss you they potentially face a tribunal for discrimination

This is what being part of a union is all about if you all stick together and say no they can either sack everyone or sack nobody

I get what you’re saying but we aren’t a unified workforce we never have been really.

If we were everyone would do the job properly they would take proper breaks, use the LWTs and start on time but the reality is we don’t do that. People are still coming in early, running round duties and stitching their colleges up.

The problem is we aren’t irreplaceable if anything Royal Mail would love for that to happen so they could potentially get rid of a few more and I doubt there is a tribunal out there who will rule in your favour for not wanting to start an hour later.