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hans solo
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Plan b

Post by hans solo »

I will give you what ward and co are not telling you
Plan b. Vote no
Rm change your contract without agreement
They are breaching contract
You can take them for constructive dismissal at tribunal’s
Where CWU have to defend you
FirstPost
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Re: Plan b

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hans solo wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:24
I will give you what ward and co are not telling you
Plan b. Vote no
Rm change your contract without agreement
They are breaching contract
You can take them for constructive dismissal at tribunal’s
Where CWU have to defend you
I wouldn't want CWU lawyers defending me. Not with their track record
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Re: Plan b

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If you don't agree with changes to your employment conditions
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on.

Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.

Giving and getting notice from your job
Redundancy: your right to consultation
If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year's continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.

If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/ch ... ions#toc-0
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
enskied
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Re: Plan b

Post by enskied »

Don't be afraid of plan B

In fact Dave Ward hasn't thunk one up yet . No pressure.
pieoftheday
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Re: Plan b

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POSTMAN wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:30
If you don't agree with changes to your employment conditions
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on.

Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.

Giving and getting notice from your job
Redundancy: your right to consultation
If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year's continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.

If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/ch ... ions#toc-0
It's all very confusing, isnt fire and rehire illegal?
richietns
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Re: Plan b

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pieoftheday wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:39
POSTMAN wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:30
If you don't agree with changes to your employment conditions
If you don't agree, your employer is not allowed to just bring in a change. However, they can terminate your contract (by giving notice) and offer you a new one including the revised terms - effectively sacking you and taking you back on.

Your employer would be expected to follow a statutory minimum dismissal procedure. They may have to follow a collective redundancy consultation process if they plan to do this to a group of employees.

Giving and getting notice from your job
Redundancy: your right to consultation
If you don't accept the new contract - or if you've accepted the new one but feel there was no good reason for ending the old one - you have the right to make an unfair dismissal claim provided you've at least one year's continuous service with your employer. You may also be able to claim redundancy if you have at least two years service.

If there is a sound business reason for the change, and your employer has properly consulted you and looked into any alternatives, you could find it difficult to win your claim.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/ch ... ions#toc-0
It's all very confusing, isnt fire and rehire illegal?
Not if the company is in a dire state.
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Re: Plan b

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... -practices

24 January 2023
Government cracks down on ‘fire and rehire’ practices
Government launches crackdown on controversial dismissal tactics through a planned statutory code of practice.

A consultation will run for the next 12 weeks

Has this been passed?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Plan b

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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... -practices

24 January 2023
Government cracks down on ‘fire and rehire’ practices
Government launches crackdown on controversial dismissal tactics through a planned statutory code of practice.

A consultation will run for the next 12 weeks

Has this been passed?
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
tansorboy
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Re: Plan b

Post by tansorboy »

I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
LouBarlow
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Re: Plan b

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tansorboy wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:57
I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
Yet another reason to vote for the deal then.
steve2zaf
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Re: Plan b

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LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:20
tansorboy wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:57
I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
Yet another reason to vote for the deal then.
Lou B -The CWU could sh@t in your mouth and you would gladly swallow it , then ask for seconds.
LouBarlow
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Re: Plan b

Post by LouBarlow »

steve2zaf wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:38
LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:20
tansorboy wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:57
I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
Yet another reason to vote for the deal then.
Lou B -The CWU could sh@t in your mouth and you would gladly swallow it , then ask for seconds.
That’s a new one. I wouldn’t presume Dave to be so regular as to be ready to drop another one out on command but anything is possible.
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Re: Plan b

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LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:44
steve2zaf wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:38
LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:20
tansorboy wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:57
I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
Yet another reason to vote for the deal then.
Lou B -The CWU could sh@t in your mouth and you would gladly swallow it , then ask for seconds.
That’s a new one. I wouldn’t presume Dave to be so regular as to be ready to drop another one out on command but anything is possible.
Oh I bet he's regular alright, with all the biscuits and cake he's been eating
LouBarlow
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Re: Plan b

Post by LouBarlow »

FirstPost wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:46
LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:44
steve2zaf wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:38
LouBarlow wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 21:20
tansorboy wrote:
22 Jun 2023, 20:57
I said right from the the start it would be fire and rehire. Nobody believed me.
Yet another reason to vote for the deal then.
Lou B -The CWU could sh@t in your mouth and you would gladly swallow it , then ask for seconds.
That’s a new one. I wouldn’t presume Dave to be so regular as to be ready to drop another one out on command but anything is possible.
Oh I bet he's regular alright, with all the biscuits and cake he's been eating
Cake clogs you up. Trust me.
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Re: Plan b

Post by postieblueshirt »

I liked plan b his singing was better than his rapping but hey that's got nothing to do with the situation were facing here