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How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

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Flashman_
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How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by Flashman_ »

Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
LouBarlow
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

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Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

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LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:51
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
I am quite aware of what you allude to, but the sex discrimination act only recognizes women as a "protected characteristic". Do some reading before spouting off perhaps?
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by yubin282 »

The same way they deal with everything else, sweep it under the carpet.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by guardianangel »

Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:54
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:51
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
I am quite aware of what you allude to, but the sex discrimination act only recognizes women as a "protected characteristic". Do some reading before spouting off perhaps?
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by enskied »

Most men in our office pick the kids up.
The job as it is allows for it, their wives are working 9 to 5.
So not sure it's discrimination.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by HTPostman »

yubin282 wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 15:01
The same way they deal with everything else, sweep it under the carpet.
A 2 hour long Facebook video with Dave Ward spouting a few CWU bingo words (solidarity, fight of our lives, rise up, discriminatory) should resolve the issue.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by Kenfandango »

I think as they've spent at least 7 years claiming the 30 hour contracts were to be "family friendly" in their job descriptions, and now they're making it completely different whilst still keeping the 30 hour shambles contracts, a lot of us have cause to claim discrimination...
They'll give off some old bluster about "but now you can take your kids TO school and your partner can pick them up" as if it's easy for someone to change their working hours based on the whims of the company their partner works for
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by ted_e_bear »

Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
I wonder if we're all supposed to have forgotten that possibly sexist idea they had of recruiting women on part time contracts because they were the ones doing the school runs, in fact they actively promoted it as such, it wasn't really that long ago and I remember the dom we had at the time saying what a great idea it was having these 9.30-14.30 family friendly duties, oh how times have changed.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by clashcityrocker »

Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
My my - you have decided a lot of things already.

Royal Mail will refuse to accommodate women with childcare issues. Have they said that?
The CWU will be complicit in the discrimination. Will it?

As for the class action, there are loads of wannabee lawyers on this forum. They are already suing RM for breach of contract and the CWU for negligent representation so I am sure they will be leading the class action for sex discrimination. It should be an easy win for them. :cuppa
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by smok3y666 »

Why just women? And what about the people who identify as the million other pro nouns? Not just women who look after kids.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by LouBarlow »

Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:54
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:51
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
I am quite aware of what you allude to, but the sex discrimination act only recognizes women as a "protected characteristic". Do some reading before spouting off perhaps?
Could you point out where in the sex discrimination act where it states that employers have to make allowances for, specifically, women to pick up their children from school? After school clubs exist for a reason.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by yellowbelly »

LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 17:31
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:54
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:51
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
I am quite aware of what you allude to, but the sex discrimination act only recognizes women as a "protected characteristic". Do some reading before spouting off perhaps?
Could you point out where in the sex discrimination act where it states that employers have to make allowances for, specifically, women to pick up their children from school? After school clubs exist for a reason.
No such thing as the Sex Discrimination Act, obviously it's not that specific but the challenge could come
under the 'Indirect Discrimination' section of the Equality Act 2010 (s19):

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/19

https://www.acas.org.uk/discrimination- ... rimination
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by postslippete »

When I first started postwomen were a bit of a rarity and then the company started actively promoting women in the workplace citing values like "family friendly" and "work-life balance".

Now it's all about the company it will likely just plough on with making changes and leave it up to the individuals concerned to make requests for flexible working, leaving it up to management to consider their requests imo.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: How will RM deal with sex descrimination cases if this deal gets in?

Post by Flashman_ »

yellowbelly wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 17:48
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 17:31
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:54
LouBarlow wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:51
Flashman_ wrote:
20 Jun 2023, 14:48
Given that a lot of Women have worked in this job because it gives them the required hours to manage child care.
Can someone explain How RM might get around the potential class action which could be brought against them when they refuse to accommodate Women who need to finish before 3pm for childcare issues.
Also will the Union be taking up these cases if asked to, which seems unlikely as they may be seen as complicit in the discrimination perpetrated.
Are you living in the 1970s? Men are able to pick up children from school.
I am quite aware of what you allude to, but the sex discrimination act only recognizes women as a "protected characteristic". Do some reading before spouting off perhaps?
Could you point out where in the sex discrimination act where it states that employers have to make allowances for, specifically, women to pick up their children from school? After school clubs exist for a reason.
No such thing as the Sex Discrimination Act, obviously it's not that specific but the challenge could come
under the 'Indirect Discrimination' section of the Equality Act 2010 (s19):

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/19

https://www.acas.org.uk/discrimination- ... rimination
Sorry for any misrepresentation, I was of course referring to this aspect as pointed out here. Thanks.