Leaving the CWU

[k979aaa]

Isn't leaving very much a case of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

I agree the CWU leadership has at best been incompetent that's for sure, but we are stronger together!

We need a change of leadership not a drop in membership that will solve nothing and if anything just make things worse!

Not really will ask my office to join another union ( plenty out there ) and hope other offices do the same thus voting with our feet and money !!

Good idea, we can be like the NHS where there's loads of different unions. Means there's all splits between them, with some unions urging members to accept the pay deal, some members who have actually accepted the deal and others going on strike.

What exactly did you want the CWU to do? Yes they were stupid for promising a no strings no pay, which was never happening, but simple slogans like that make it easy for people to get behind a coherent message. Everybody wants things to stay the same, with early finishes and smaller rounds but that's for the birds. The deal is a decent compromise watering down some of the more extreme changes, which these things always are.

Same with the teachers too. My wife’s union couldn’t get the threshold to be able to strike so she had to go to work while others went on strike.

Which is probably because with that many different unions, representing different paygrades, jobs inside the industry, and different schools there were those that didn't actually realise they were being balloted or what they were being balloted about.

NEU and NASWUT represent the same grades of staff. They all knew they were been balloted most couldn’t be bothered to return the ballot in the post.

My wife has worked in a few schools and not one of them had a union rep. Unions literally have zero influence in schools and the schools can’t pretty much get away with what they want in most cases.

The only saving grace is that’s you can’t pull teachers off the street and there is also a shortage of teachers in general. If the teachers had one union maybe they would have more collective bargaining.

Same with the NHS Unions!

[hazzeem025]

The last 6 months have shown what this union is all about. They are self centred , arrogant and extremely obnoxious. They has shown total disdain with their incredible lack of communication to us. They have treated us with contempt while enjoying their huge salaries , exorbitant expenses and fat cat pension fund. All at our expense. They have proven to be so untrustworthy it beggars belief .
We all new sacrifices would happen . We all new compromises would be made.
This is NO compromise - it's a total sell out of everything that has been won over the years.
The union does NOT deserve our loyalty - therefor certainly doesn't deserve our ££££'s.

What a load of nonsense. For the millionth time I'll ask, 'What's plan B' Not one person on here has come up with anything credible as another option for the CWU. If you think we'll be better off with no union you're deluded.

[LouBarlow]

I couldn’t think of a worse time to leave the union, given how RM will be looking to push, especially senior, posties out the door. The fact that revisions are making rounds unachievable would be reason enough to have union representation right now.

And honestly, the union have done a decent job in securing a pay-rise and a lump sum, continuing they are operating in a privatised industry with a company that is bleeding money. It isn’t like unions dealing with government funded industries, where money can always be found. RM is a failing business.

Jeez you need to make up your mind Flora - one minute you are all RM the next pro CWU - think you are just a fence sitter now - sad !

It isn’t like football. You don’t have to pick one side or the other. It is perfectly fair to be critical of both the CWU and RM as I have been countless times on here. I’m sorry your comprehension skills haven’t picked up on this.

[worktotime]

when you look at what the company had on the table and what they was going to do via E/A that was the reason we stood on the lines and lost money and annual leave and even the company knew they wasnt going to get what they wanted , but all that being said the cwu having given the company a watered down version of what they wanted and they must be laughing there tits off and what did we get out of it ? , and walsh and the rest of them can try and polish this turd of an agreement has much as they like but it does hide anything , and theres a lot in our office inc myself will be voting NO and cancelling our membership as the people trying to sell this to its members havent got a clue what we do in delivery day in and day out

[thefox]

Won't lose another penny for this union

[1560loopsayear]

I think the green thing for later pipeline procedures is a convenient disguise... RM have been wanting out working later for quite some time. It's very convenient to hide behind this virtue signalling environmentally friendly tosh when basically they want us delivering when customers come home from work and maybe picking up a few extra collections on our way back.

P.S. I don't think the 'Average Holiday Pay' is anything to brag about, the qualifying criteria is very restrictive for those who don't get frequent overtime. It should have been paid out for every hour of overtime you do in the Month, regardless of how many...but that's history now.

[timbo1234]

It will be interesting to see next year how many of the people on here who are bad mouthing the union actually leave it. If you feel you would be better protected without one then give it a go. Or stay in and put yourself forward for a union full time position. That way the whole union could be changed and new plans and tactics brought in for the next dispute. I'm sure it can't be that hard being the head of a union representing 115000 people. I reckon no more than 5 hours a week tops according to some on here.

[worktotime]

The last 6 months have shown what this union is all about. They are self centred , arrogant and extremely obnoxious. They has shown total disdain with their incredible lack of communication to us. They have treated us with contempt while enjoying their huge salaries , exorbitant expenses and fat cat pension fund. All at our expense. They have proven to be so untrustworthy it beggars belief .
We all new sacrifices would happen . We all new compromises would be made.
This is NO compromise - it's a total sell out of everything that has been won over the years.
The union does NOT deserve our loyalty - therefor certainly doesn't deserve our ££££'s.

An no doubt people will go running to cwu at the 1st sign of trouble.

running to the onion why ? what like we have done in delivery for the last 12 month with all the e/a and the size of deliverys but yet again they have done f**k all and 2 joint statements later still f**k all and nothing will change

[geordieboy123]

You think about 50 000 posties will leave the union?
I doubt it.
What would it achieve?

I believe in the trade union movement.
I will remain a trade unionist.

[koolishy67]

Never

[sixfoottwo]

The last 6 months have shown what this union is all about. They are self centred , arrogant and extremely obnoxious. They has shown total disdain with their incredible lack of communication to us. They have treated us with contempt while enjoying their huge salaries , exorbitant expenses and fat cat pension fund. All at our expense. They have proven to be so untrustworthy it beggars belief .
We all new sacrifices would happen . We all new compromises would be made.
This is NO compromise - it's a total sell out of everything that has been won over the years.
The union does NOT deserve our loyalty - therefor certainly doesn't deserve our ££££'s.

An no doubt people will go running to cwu at the 1st sign of trouble.

running to the onion why ? what like we have done in delivery for the last 12 month with all the e/a and the size of deliverys but yet again they have done f**k all and 2 joint statements later still f**k all and nothing will change

Exactly, Union have zero power, none, nada.

[DirtyHarry]

I've been in the CWU for the best part of 30 years.

I can't recall ever gaining anything after coming off strike.
The job has got worse after every dispute in the last 30 years.
If this lousy deal somehow gets voted in, I'm out.

[TopperGas]

I think the green thing for later pipeline procedures is a convenient disguise... RM have been wanting out working later for quite some time. It's very convenient to hide behind this virtue signalling environmentally friendly tosh when basically they want us delivering when customers come home from work and maybe picking up a few extra collections on our way back.

P.S. I don't think the 'Average Holiday Pay' is anything to brag about, the qualifying criteria is very restrictive for those who don't get frequent overtime. It should have been paid out for every hour of overtime you do in the Month, regardless of how many...but that's history now.

Personally I find the best time to deliver parcels is between 7am & 9am before customers head off for work or on the am school run, then you really have to wait for customers to return from work/the pm school run, I doubt finishing around 4pm will still catch many of those. Perhaps RM just need to encourage customers to nominate safe place or get parcel boxes or just spend money on buying of some parcel lockers.

As far as holiday pay it's not a great system but at least it's better than the nothing we had in the past, who would negotiate anything similar for us if we had no union?

As far as leaving the union what would have RM enforced upon us with no unions with no way to object by taking IA. Plus who's going to support any of us if our manager takes a dislike to us or we do something silly warranting a conduct charge, RM would just walk all over an employee trying to represent themselves.

[hans solo]

You get representation by getting your own lawyer
It’s coming to that anyway

[John Gaita]

Have been a member for 4 years. Never received real help from the CWU on the many issues I had with Royal Mail. Never got anything back from 4 years of subs. Always had to deal with problems on my own, including going to employment tribunal. Still, I was on picket lines with a "no strings attached pay rise" shirt.

If Yes wins, I'll cancel my subs that same minute. I know many others will do the same.