Vote No.

[LouBarlow]

Please stop encouraging us to do something ridiculous and support this agreement to detrimental change.

Yet it's fine to encourage people to vote no without any consideration that the alternative may lead to more and faster detrimental change?

Your idea of ridiculous is different to mine.

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

If the deal is not voted through these changes are definitely happening. Both the CWU and RM have told you this.

[smartin1982]

Please stop encouraging us to do something ridiculous and support this agreement to detrimental change.

Yet it's fine to encourage people to vote no without any consideration that the alternative may lead to more and faster detrimental change?

Your idea of ridiculous is different to mine.

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

If the deal is not voted through these changes are definitely happening. Both the CWU and RM have told you this.

And you think by accepting and signing a deal which is full of “subject to reviews” they won’t push further?!
You’re giving them legal Carte Blanche.
Also, where have you been to think what you’re being told now is somehow reliable? We’ve been lied to and treated like s**t since day1 of this.

[jahbalon]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

[renrag40]

Are you Grant McPherson in disguise?

[mjd24]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

But are we going to go back to upholding the USO?


The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

[smartin1982]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

Strong sarcasm game

[Pidleypoo]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

Safeguard working conditions?

Worse sick pay terms and harder working conditions outdoors.

[ted_e_bear]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

Safeguard working conditions?

Worse sick pay terms and harder working conditions outdoors.

Good luck with this snippet
"a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another"

[smartin1982]

Rings a bell that too,, im sure I’ve heard that somewhere before.

[postieblueshirt]

Royal Mail and the CWU have been clear about what happens without an agreement. When both sides of a dispute agree on something, it is wise to consider this and vote accordingly. You don’t have to be mystic Meg to predict the future in this case.

The CWU leadership are supposed to be representing our side. Personally, I don't think they are very good job. Do you agree?

I’m not sure what you are asking with that second sentence but do I think they are doing a good job? For a union operating in a privatised workplace, sure, I think they are doing as well as can be expected. You can’t compare them to the unions representing government funded industries, so it is hard to judge ultimately. Considering we are working for a company losing money, in a declining market, then what they have achieved is commendable, sure.

I agree Lou. I think the CWU have done a good job considering the legal constraints of negotiating with a private company, and that the package agreement is a good one considering the company is losing money and our competitors are more agile and flexible in their working hours. A Yes vote now is highly likely if the ballot is held shortly I would imagine, and I would expect a 70% Yes vote, and a fitting end to all the acrimony and inertia, and a new start built on trust and commitment for postal workers and Royal Mail acting in conjunction and harmony with one another, to streamline the business, improve its working effectiveness and nimbleness, and safeguard pay, pensions and working conditions for all postal workers for the foreseeable future.

Just when you thought comments on royal mail chat couldn't get anymore ridiculous.......

[Woody Guthrie]

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

What's ridiculous is the idea that we have no clue what might happen after a No vote.

It's not as if the employer has been subtle in its intentions.

We know what the union will do because their options are limited by what new pressure they could apply to the business and after 12 months of a bitter dispute that achieved this poor deal and a membership at best split over whether to accept it I doubt that would be much.

It isn't a well anything could happen situation, it's a this will happen and how will we react situation.

In the cold light of day can you honestly believe that the members could sustain more strikes?

In the cold light of day would you bet what's on the table against the union negotiating a significantly better agreement even with more strikes?

If this is a blackjack hand you are sitting on 20 and considering taking another card.
Good luck finding that ace.

[pieoftheday]

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

What's ridiculous is the idea that we have no clue what might happen after a No vote.

It's not as if the employer has been subtle in its intentions.

We know what the union will do because their options are limited by what new pressure they could apply to the business and after 12 months of a bitter dispute that achieved this poor deal and a membership at best split over whether to accept it I doubt that would be much.

It isn't a well anything could happen situation, it's a this will happen and how will we react situation.

In the cold light of day can you honestly believe that the members could sustain more strikes?

In the cold light of day would you bet what's on the table against the union negotiating a significantly better agreement even with more strikes?

If this is a blackjack hand you are sitting on 20 and considering taking another card.
Good luck finding that ace.

Unfortunately you're probably right, but many of us were asking for proper strike action from the get go, CWU top brass fxct up

[k979aaa]

My only advice is use your vote we need action and deeds not pity sympathy how you all vote is no concern of me It might sound trite but this deal will affect us all. The reasons for my not telling you how to vote is I don't think it makes a difference and also I would rather have you all use your own brains and this makes a big difference in we actually think how we vote and why we vote. But it is most important you use your vote and we all need to have our say on the union the direction of the company and the leadership of the union and Royal Mail. Because democracy speaks volumes on how this business/company and once great service is run!
BUT JUST VOTE

[smartin1982]

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

What's ridiculous is the idea that we have no clue what might happen after a No vote.

It's not as if the employer has been subtle in its intentions.

We know what the union will do because their options are limited by what new pressure they could apply to the business and after 12 months of a bitter dispute that achieved this poor deal and a membership at best split over whether to accept it I doubt that would be much.

It isn't a well anything could happen situation, it's a this will happen and how will we react situation.

In the cold light of day can you honestly believe that the members could sustain more strikes?

In the cold light of day would you bet what's on the table against the union negotiating a significantly better agreement even with more strikes?

If this is a blackjack hand you are sitting on 20 and considering taking another card.
Good luck finding that ace.

Unlike yourself I don’t claim to have an idea as to how every member feels and Again you’re missing the point which is that we should be voting on what’s in front of us, and what’s in front of us is s**t. You’re fabricating nightmare scenarios. What part of the uncertain aftermath of a No is guaranteed? The “this will happen “ part as you said? What will DEFINITELY happen? Tell me.

All we know is what will happen with a yes. We have a definite timeline for the desecration of our terms. It’s simple, accept it now or disagree and they’ll have to battle us some more. If you’re not up to that, that’s fine, just admit it to yourself if you don’t want the worry anymore and just say that . Don’t try and justify it on here like it’s the only sensible option.

What do you think the negotiations in 2025 are going to look like if it’s voted through? Or how the “to be reviewed” sections of this “deal” will be approached in a few months?
You talk of job security and your financial future in past posts, well you’re quickening their demise.

[X_hamster]

The key work here is may. If this deal is voted through it’s definite.
Accepting something terrible just in case (becomes nobody actually knows) something worse MAY happen is ludicrous.

What's ridiculous is the idea that we have no clue what might happen after a No vote.

It's not as if the employer has been subtle in its intentions.

We know what the union will do because their options are limited by what new pressure they could apply to the business and after 12 months of a bitter dispute that achieved this poor deal and a membership at best split over whether to accept it I doubt that would be much.

It isn't a well anything could happen situation, it's a this will happen and how will we react situation.

In the cold light of day can you honestly believe that the members could sustain more strikes?

In the cold light of day would you bet what's on the table against the union negotiating a significantly better agreement even with more strikes?

If this is a blackjack hand you are sitting on 20 and considering taking another card.
Good luck finding that ace.

Unlike yourself I don’t claim to have an idea as to how every member feels and Again you’re missing the point which is that we should be voting on what’s in front of us, and what’s in front of us is s**t. You’re fabricating nightmare scenarios. What part of the uncertain aftermath of a No is guaranteed? The “this will happen “ part as you said? What will DEFINITELY happen? Tell me.

All we know is what will happen with a yes. We have a definite timeline for the desecration of our terms. It’s simple, accept it now or disagree and they’ll have to battle us some more. If you’re not up to that, that’s fine, just admit it to yourself if you don’t want the worry anymore and just say that . Don’t try and justify it on here like it’s the only sensible option.

What do you think the negotiations in 2025 are going to look like if it’s voted through? Or how the “to be reviewed” sections of this “deal” will be approached in a few months?
You talk of job security and your financial future in past posts, well you’re quickening their demise.

Very well said

Some people are choacking to lay back and have their bellies rubbed. Once the terms and cons go, they are gone for good and they will be back for more just round the corner. Pathetic.

Try a £14,000 lump sum and it would be considerable.