Facts not spin

[Hador]

7. On the escrow money it is simply untrue that it is your pension pot. The escrow was set up by Royal Mail funded it and it was the union last October during the talks who said we should us this monies to give staff a lump sum. Especially as Royal Mail finances meant it could not come from their current balance sheet.

If is not pension money, why the Trustees have to agree to release the funds.?

[1560loopsayear]

So if you told in December that your Finnish time will be 4pm... because they have last letter 4:30 they could in theory use the "need to deliver the USO" i.e clear frame every day to get the overtime in early to prep (OT will all be front loaded because nobody will want to stay out even later on Ext Del) then make you stay out till last letter with a 30 min flex meaning a finish time of 5pm? You could be out at 9am till 5pm....8hrs delivery? Remember they made walks practically impossible to clear everyday with the botched revision...so last letter 16:30 will become an everyday necessity to meet USO obligations

[pieoftheday]

MJD

The agreement states that both parties are committed to ensuring that start and finish times will be limited to up to 60 minutes change from next March 2024. That joint work will be undertaken to try to achieve this.

Only if this proves impossible in a delivery unit will it move to a maximum of 90 minutes later.

We believe in the vast majority of delivery unit you will not move more than up to 60 minutes later based on your current start time.

The term for uso last letter is no one should be out on delivery past the current 15:30 urban last letter or 16.30 for rural. It does not mean you have to delivering at 16.30 next year.

Martin, due to the hot weather we have moved our delivery shift time back 30 mins , if we move our shift 90 mins forward what would happen if it's very hot in the summer? We couldn't move 2 hours back? Also most duties currently can just about complete in summer and some cant, shorter shifts in summer most wont complete

[Martin Walsh]

If there is not a local rep then the Area Rep should ensure that the USO and quality is restored in line with joint statement.

The last letter is for the USO in line with the postal services act. However the 60 and 90 minutes start and finish times are actual finish times not last letter.

Your work plan will change as there will be a net work review as Royal Mail will be coming off planes so work will get into mail centres later than currently as rail and road takes longer. Dependent where you are in the UK will determine the impact. However there are a number of things Which can be change to minimise the impact including in mail centres and delivery units which the joint working parties will undergo to try and reduce the start and finish times which have been advertised.

Royal Mail funded the escrow. However the surplus has grown and the union then argued this should be given to members. The trustees , Royal Mail agreed.

[Slim2none]

The members will over the next few weeks decide the way they want to vote but it is important that in doing so they are presented with the facts not spin.

Therefore these are the facts.

1. The joint statement will now ensure every unit reviews and addresses quality of service and USO failure’s including us the IR framework.

2. There is a process now to resolve supernumeraries in mail centres.

3. The current last letter of 15:30 for urban and 16:30 for Rural Deliveries will move next year to a last letter of 16:30. However the vast majority of delivery (93% ) units will finish before 16.00 with 63% before 15.30.

4. The last letter has to be a UK wide figure and recognise some delivery units are over 2 hours away from their mail centre. It does not and has never meant everyone will finish at 16.30 as the network would not work.

5. The 60 and 90 minutes are indicative times for each unit. The aim of the joint working parties will be to improve on this over the next few months. Remembering only circa 5% of mail is carried by planes

6. In December every individual will be written to with their units start and finish times and there will be an exceptions process where individuals can ask for their individual circumstances to be taken into account.

7. On the escrow money it is simply untrue that it is your pension pot. The escrow was set up by Royal Mail funded it and it was the union last October during the talks who said we should us this monies to give staff a lump sum. Especially as Royal Mail finances meant it could not come from their current balance sheet.

8.

1: is it not true that RM disregard joint statements as they see fit.

2: is there? We will see but only after the agreement is in force. Lots of MC employees on here feeling at best, uncertain.

3, 4, 5 & 6
These are all the same point really. These all refer to start & finish times. So just the one "fact" , not 4!

7: there is circa £200 million in escrow that could have been used to contribute to a decent pay rise at the outset of the dispute, save RM the alleged £200 mil in strike loses and seemingly, the escrow account is only in place to pick up or protect against shortfalls in the pension pot (which RM would cover?)

All points sound a wee bit spinny to me. Of course, this is just the ramblings of a simple postal worker.

[Stella102]

And supernumerary in mail centre Martin what is the plan ?

[Pidleypoo]

Martin , could you address the very real concerns about being outdoors for longer in the hottest part of the day where year on year is getting hotter meaning much tougher conditions to work in?

There are also concerns about being out in the dark but the heat is much worse imo

[k979aaa]

Well 8 Am plus start times and 4 PM why don't we just get any other 9 to 5 job as we will be commuting with them all now and our £1400 bung can pay the first two months child care after that who wants to do this shity job!

[miles_peters]

Martin , could you address the very real concerns about being outdoors for longer in the hottest part of the day where year on year is getting hotter meaning much tougher conditions to work in?

There are also concerns about being out in the dark but the heat is much worse imo

in the entire time that this dispute has been going on, not 1 single CWU rep has addressed this issue, all ive got is a shrugged shoulders reaction

this is a health and safety issue please tell us in black and white what are the expectations of us working in the dark or near dark and for working longer in hot weather!!!

[dazzler123]

'Improving the USO' appears to be take your first class mail' as we were told this week due to appaling test delivery letter results. So what doesnt get delivered, standard parcels? Are they ok to knock back now then, as little will be done to do whats actually needed to do a sane days work

[sixfoottwo]

It's a 9-5 job now basically, shove that.

[k979aaa]

It's a 9-5 job now basically, shove that.

You will not be the only one this whole job is not worth it anymore and people will leave en mass the exodus has begun and the people who replace us are not interested in working!

[sixfoottwo]

It's a 9-5 job now basically, shove that.

You will not be the only one this whole job is not worth it anymore and people will leave en mass the exodus has begun and the people who replace us are not interested in working!

Totally agree pal, the amount of people who have left already says it all and more will follow.

Shafted.

[derricksmyth]

More spin than Nathan Lyon, they will stuff us in March !!!

[k979aaa]

More spin than Nathan Lyon, they will stuff us in March !!!

They were saying 4 to 5 hours before negotiations but it is 60 to 90 minutes but how long will that last in the coming years?