And what about the next agreement in a couple of years time ? Same again, more erosion of t&cs , where does it end ? If you roll over now and accept this , it’s just the start.
You don’t seem to understand. We have no leverage here. That came and went when we were on strike on Christmas Eve, when ultimately any power we had by withdrawing labour evaporated. The reason for this, is both the CWU and RM are now in acquiescence at the state of the company. You can’t squeeze blood out of a stone. RM pissed away the profits we all made for them, during the pandemic, and now that traffic has dried up, and costs are sky high, the coffers are bare.
We have been screwed over, but you have to think logically and realise that voting no hurts us all. Your protest vote will not lead to an improved deal on the table, and it will not in any way hurt the rich bosses running the company. Even if the unlikely happens and RM goes under, do you think that the wealthy board will give a s**t? No, it will be me and you that suffer. Hell, even if you believe the CWU upper echelon are somehow conspiring against you, they have nothing to lose either way. Think what is best for you going forward.
No mate I’m voting no
And I don’t give a s**t about the company any more
Treat them with the same contempt they have me/us
If it goes under so be it
Everything comes to and end
So we only get the gospel truth on here .
I think not .
If it's a no vote the the union have no choice but to get back in the room and really is that simple .
I'm don't care about the s**t pay rise but I do care about my t&C's and the extra 1.30hr out door work that's hidden within the agreement, that most people haven't read from start to finish so won't realise what's about to hit them if the listen to folk like yourself .
Remove the attacks on our t&C's then we may get somewhere ,but I'm not holding my breath on this as the cwu have shown us who they really are in bed with and it's not it's members.
Still voting no
I can understand not believing Royal Mail, but why are you doubting what the CWU are telling you? What evidence do you have to back up your claim? I get it, we exist in a world now, where people believe everything is a conspiracy, but the facts have been laid out clearly before you, especially so on here.
And again, how does voting no prevent anything you are (rightly) worried about being forced through regardless, and then some? Having no agreement in place doesn’t prevent RM from instigating the change necessary required to turn around the company’s finances. It leaves us all exposed to even more attacks on our T&Cs not less. As I’ve said multiple times now, the deal is bad, but not having an agreement will be worse and will not stop us being hit by change. It is coming regardless. Better to have at least some control of it.
I understand people voting no out of anger or under protest, but ultimately you are spiting yourself as RM will not give a toss. Think rationally about what is best for you.
And what about the next agreement in a couple of years time ? Same again, more erosion of t&cs , where does it end ? If you roll over now and accept this , it’s just the start.
It started a decade ago Moya and back have just paved the way,it was back who started the superhubs Thompson just accelerated it.
It started a decade ago Moya and back have just paved the way,it was back who started the superhubs Thompson just accelerated it.
Yes, it started when we were privatised. It is a miracle we have had it so good to this point. There is no going back when a company is designated as a private enterprise, as capitalism doesn’t care about the people employed to fuel it. You and I are just a cog in the machine, there to make as much money, as fast as possible, with no regard for our wellbeing.
It started a decade ago Moya and back have just paved the way,it was back who started the superhubs Thompson just accelerated it.
Yes, it started when we were privatised. It is a miracle we have had it so good to this point. There is no going back when a company is designated as a private enterprise, as capitalism doesn’t care about the people employed to fuel it. You and I are just a cog in the machine, there to make as much money, as fast as possible, with no regard for our wellbeing.
I agree with that, it's taken ages to get down to this all time low point, until quite recently at DO level it was as though nothing had changed, although it's clear the pace has accelerated rapidly these last few months.
No mate I’m voting no
And I don’t give a s**t about the company any more
Treat them with the same contempt they have me/us
If it goes under so be it
Everything comes to and end
Too right, if this company needs to exploit the workers and lower their conditions (race to the bottom) just so they can make shareholders happy the company should be let to go to the wall, other companies will pick up the work and employ more staff.
The union officials are bricking themselves because it looks like the gravy train is about to eject them for not having a valid ticket, all reps and officials if they had an ounce of dignity would step down
Ok so we agree to everything else within the agreement but sick pay really???. If that needs to happen to save the business then it's already dead and buried.
It's a no from me,i don't have any idea where we go next if it comes back a no,i have no plan b nor do i have any idea who replaces ward and co i only know i can't vote yes for such a terrible deal and will take my chances.if it gets as bad as some have predicted i will leave and find another job.
And what about the next agreement in a couple of years time ? Same again, more erosion of t&cs , where does it end ? If you roll over now and accept this , it’s just the start.
You don’t seem to understand. We have no leverage here. That came and went when we were on strike on Christmas Eve, when ultimately any power we had by withdrawing labour evaporated. The reason for this, is both the CWU and RM are now in acquiescence at the state of the company. You can’t squeeze blood out of a stone. RM pissed away the profits we all made for them, during the pandemic, and now that traffic has dried up, and costs are sky high, the coffers are bare.
We have been screwed over, but you have to think logically and realise that voting no hurts us all. Your protest vote will not lead to an improved deal on the table, and it will not in any way hurt the rich bosses running the company. Even if the unlikely happens and RM goes under, do you think that the wealthy board will give a s**t? No, it will be me and you that suffer. Hell, even if you believe the CWU upper echelon are somehow conspiring against you, they have nothing to lose either way. Think what is best for you going forward.
Bolded >the company is not about to go under nor is it close to being broke. At the results conference Williams painted an upbeat picture to institutional investors regards the company's future revenue/profit trajectory.
A no vote sends a message to the company (and Union) that destruction of our T&C will never be accepted lightly. This is a good message to be sent by us and internalised by them. If we meekly accept the wanton destruction of our T&C then they will be back for what remains of out T&C the moment this agreement expires in 21 months time.
For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
Ok so we agree to everything else within the agreement but sick pay really???. If that needs to happen to save the business then it's already dead and buried.
It's the enforced extra hour or so out on delivery in the winter months that's unacceptable to me, now you've mentioned the sick pay I certainly don't want punishing if in a 12 month period I have to have a 2nd absence with the trots or something else that only causes a day or two off due to RM's inability to deal with the piss takers.
For those who say a no vote will see RM pile in and make all the changes as they see fit I ask a simple question - why haven't they done so already then?
I thought that was one of the major complaints during this dispute.
That the company was just implementing change as they saw fit?
You know..
Changes to VR..
Imposed revisions.
Changing start times.
Changing attendance patterns.
