Revision review

[kazardaimenu]

Had a couple of people leave since the revision and some go sick so we are back lapsing and looking at a fresh revision because this one has been butchered.

[norris9]

We have had to change the lapsed walks every so often due to too many customer complaints about not getting mail delivered.

Line manager today said nothing is being reviewed and lapsed frames will be absorbed to our own walks soon. Said they. like us have been told from above if dont like it, leave

Already happened here. 70 to 120 calls added to our frames from lapsed duties. More mail to throw off more D2Ds to be prepped and more parcels to do every day. Vote No .

Do you seriously think RM will review the revisions if they get a No vote?

No I don’t. Neither will a Yes vote. Accept this sh1t deal and You will always regret it I think.

We haven't even voted on the deal and look at the state of things.

how the hell is voting no on the deal going to make any difference to anything? seriously. You think a no vote is going to make us go back to 2+ years ago when we were fully staffed and rounds were at least somewhat the correct size.

To be honest - things are actually EASIER right now than they were 2 years ago.... when we were fully staffed we had more pressure to clear the office and managers pushing us to complete. Now the company do not care about the USO there is less pressure than before. Rounds a failing everywhere, so failing your own round isn't as much of a big deal anymore.

[redlen]

This proposed agreement and voting is a lot more than just revisions, as in established terms and conditions

[enskied]

We have had to change the lapsed walks every so often due to too many customer complaints about not getting mail delivered.

Line manager today said nothing is being reviewed and lapsed frames will be absorbed to our own walks soon. Said they. like us have been told from above if dont like it, leave

Already happened here. 70 to 120 calls added to our frames from lapsed duties. More mail to throw off more D2Ds to be prepped and more parcels to do every day. Vote No .

Do you seriously think RM will review the revisions if they get a No vote?

No I don’t. Neither will a Yes vote. Accept this sh1t deal and You will always regret it I think.

We haven't even voted on the deal and look at the state of things.

how the hell is voting no on the deal going to make any difference to anything? seriously. You think a no vote is going to make us go back to 2+ years ago when we were fully staffed and rounds were at least somewhat the correct size.

To be honest - things are actually EASIER right now than they were 2 years ago.... when we were fully staffed we had more pressure to clear the office and managers pushing us to complete. Now the company do not care about the USO there is less pressure than before. Rounds a failing everywhere, so failing your own round isn't as much of a big deal anymore.

So true Norris.
But the total neglect of the mail, letters bothers me.
I want to do it all, mail , specials, tracked , packets.
I want to do that.
Management know that I can't. So they impose Specials, tracked, parcels ... Sod the mail.

We all know this is true. And we all know it is wrong.
Even the Management know it. No matter how many times they assure the pubic that their mail matters.
Pizza leaflets are more important than a medical appointment, more important than a passport...

[Jpro747]

What we are now seeing in our office is the royal MAIL being turned into a parcel company. Despite the CEO saying we do not prioritise any items.

Told to ensure all tracked parcels and Specials are delivered on health and safety grounds. Everything must be taken out, then bring back the letters you can’t deliver. Usually, one row with several days of mail rammed into it is all that gets cleared, so the rest comes back and has to be put back in the following morning wasting even more time. Absolute insanity!

Mail failures being hidden as they are not reporting them, nothing to see here guv…

Staff leaving in droves, some off sick with mental health issues! We had two new guys start they were gone within a fortnight. Says it all.

Rep has lodged a disagreement but the FARCE continues…

[k979aaa]

Well who wants to start a job in terminal decline and and abject failure a default position the management cannot blame us for capitaning this plane into a tailspin of doom!

[hitman420]

We have had to change the lapsed walks every so often due to too many customer complaints about not getting mail delivered.

Line manager today said nothing is being reviewed and lapsed frames will be absorbed to our own walks soon. Said they. like us have been told from above if dont like it, leave

Already happened here. 70 to 120 calls added to our frames from lapsed duties. More mail to throw off more D2Ds to be prepped and more parcels to do every day. Vote No .

vote no by not staying out..... don't complete. What you can't deliver - Bring it back or leave it in your frame.

tend to do that now. My partner has gone sick so had agency guy with me and well below tempo needed, or sense of urgency. If RM are thinking agency staff are going to do a better or even same job as us, on lesser contracts, there is calamity ahead

There are masses of supernumeraries in mail centres. I’m sure some of them will be relocated to delivery offices to help out with the constant failures that we are suffering from.

[thefox]

I'm voting no .
We're not working later for free in the winter .
The boss will ask you to work 30 mins later on your finish time if things are busy and promis to give you it back the following week.

So say you work those 30mins every day for one week ,the following week the boss could give you it back by telling you to start 30 mins later all week .
Heres the problem say your office start time is moved by 1 hour and the boss has you working 30mins later every day and giving you it back by starting 30mins later your new start time could be move 1hr30 mins compared to what you have now.
So 7am start now could turn into an 830am start with a preptual 30mins working later if you have a rouge manger. :

Still voting no.

I've edited the post because I got mixed up with the extra 24 mins in the winter ,24 mins less in the summer with the 30mins flex they are about to make compulsory.
Apologies
Have a good weekend .

And what happens if you can't get your time owed the following week because your on holiday?

I've no idea mate .
Also if they get away with taking out 30mins prep time in the morning that time will go onto your delivery ,add another 30mins to your outdoor workload along with the 30mins flex and the extra 24 mins in the winter means you could have another 1.24 hr outdoor added to what you have now .

Still voting no

How could anyone read what you have posted and still want to vote yes i just can't get my head around it

[SpacePhoenix]

We have had to change the lapsed walks every so often due to too many customer complaints about not getting mail delivered.

Line manager today said nothing is being reviewed and lapsed frames will be absorbed to our own walks soon. Said they. like us have been told from above if dont like it, leave

Already happened here. 70 to 120 calls added to our frames from lapsed duties. More mail to throw off more D2Ds to be prepped and more parcels to do every day. Vote No .

vote no by not staying out..... don't complete. What you can't deliver - Bring it back or leave it in your frame.

tend to do that now. My partner has gone sick so had agency guy with me and well below tempo needed, or sense of urgency. If RM are thinking agency staff are going to do a better or even same job as us, on lesser contracts, there is calamity ahead

There are masses of supernumeraries in mail centres. I’m sure some of them will be relocated to delivery offices to help out with the constant failures that we are suffering from.

I think more likely many of them will leave the business. Apart from those on early shift it's completely different shift times

[Neebs]

I'm voting no .
We're not working later for free in the winter .
The boss will ask you to work 30 mins later on your finish time if things are busy and promis to give you it back the following week.

So say you work those 30mins every day for one week ,the following week the boss could give you it back by telling you to start 30 mins later all week .
Heres the problem say your office start time is moved by 1 hour and the boss has you working 30mins later every day and giving you it back by starting 30mins later your new start time could be move 1hr30 mins compared to what you have now.
So 7am start now could turn into an 830am start with a preptual 30mins working later if you have a rouge manger. :

Still voting no.

I've edited the post because I got mixed up with the extra 24 mins in the winter ,24 mins less in the summer with the 30mins flex they are about to make compulsory.
Apologies
Have a good weekend .

And what happens if you can't get your time owed the following week because your on holiday?

I've no idea mate .
Also if they get away with taking out 30mins prep time in the morning that time will go onto your delivery ,add another 30mins to your outdoor workload along with the 30mins flex and the extra 24 mins in the winter means you could have another 1.24 hr outdoor added to what you have now .

Still voting no

How could anyone read what you have posted and still want to vote yes i just can't get my head around it

People will vote for this because they want the money and then they'll greet like little bairns when they find out this is what they voted for ..
For me it all about t&C's.
I would go without a pay rise to keep our t&C's but we all know that's not happening.
As long as I have a finish time thats a me done ,no overtime, nothing .
In on time
Break on time
Back on time
Go home on time

It's a shambles and I can't believe cwu would just right off some of our t&C's because management will be back for the rest in 2025 if this gets voted in .
Still voting no

[Neebs]

I'm voting no .
We're not working later for free in the winter .
The boss will ask you to work 30 mins later on your finish time if things are busy and promis to give you it back the following week.

So say you work those 30mins every day for one week ,the following week the boss could give you it back by telling you to start 30 mins later all week .
Heres the problem say your office start time is moved by 1 hour and the boss has you working 30mins later every day and giving you it back by starting 30mins later your new start time could be move 1hr30 mins compared to what you have now.
So 7am start now could turn into an 830am start with a preptual 30mins working later if you have a rouge manger. :

Still voting no.

I've edited the post because I got mixed up with the extra 24 mins in the winter ,24 mins less in the summer with the 30mins flex they are about to make compulsory.
Apologies
Have a good weekend .

And what happens if you can't get your time owed the following week because your on holiday?

I've no idea mate .
Also if they get away with taking out 30mins prep time in the morning that time will go onto your delivery ,add another 30mins to your outdoor workload along with the 30mins flex and the extra 24 mins in the winter means you could have another 1.24 hr outdoor added to what you have now .

Still voting no

How could anyone read what you have posted and still want to vote yes i just can't get my head around it

People will vote for this because they want the money and then they'll greet like little bairns when they find out this is what they voted for ..
For me it all about t&C's.
I would go without a pay rise to keep our t&C's but we all know that's not happening.
As long as I have a finish time thats a me done ,no overtime, nothing .
In on time
Break on time
Back on time
Go home on time

It's a shambles and I can't believe cwu would just right off some of our t&C's because management will be back for the rest in 2025 if this gets voted in .
Still voting no

[kazardaimenu]

Revision never ends. People getting streets added to their duties even now and the sequencing and sorting arrangement is a joke.

[SpacePhoenix]

I can't see RM reversing any revisions that are already in place. We had a load up updates to CSS batches about a week ago and I think a good few of the ones that were update were the merging of walks

[postslippete]

I can't see RM reversing any revisions that are already in place. We had a load up updates to CSS batches about a week ago and I think a good few of the ones that were update were the merging of walks

I think you're right. Royal Mail are quite happy that these revisions have taken place. They haven't taken them off my duty yet. Instead what RM are doing in our office is using the agency to take a few loops out in the afternoon once a postie comes back with a van.