Do you really believe that this is the best deal on the table?
I do yes. So do Royal Mail and the CWU. If both sides of negotiations agree that we have reached agreement, then that suggests there is no more give from either party.
Lou you really do try to annoy people, have you some sort of problem that causes this?
Maybe take some medical advice or sort out whatever it is missing in your life.
Heres a fact for you. We havent voted!!
If you hadnt cherry picked just part of the post perhaps the context wouldnt be lost.
Its obvious to anyone with sense that the union are stalling, i know it and you should know it, although maybe the sense thing has passed you by.
Stop stalling have your democratic vote and whatever way it falls we will all have to live with the result.
Cherry pick part of that!!
I’m not trying to annoy you. You are irritated because I made you look a bit daft. It happens.
Hahaha, Lou you really dont have a clue do you, how did you make me look daft? Talk me through your fabulously thought out argument and how you didnt cherry pick part of the post?
I suspect you will just do the same as usual.
One trick pony who knows nothing, a troll and i suspect a very sad person, Lou Barlow king is his own mind!
Goodnight and thank-you!
Hahaha, Lou you really dont have a clue do you, how did you make me look daft? Talk me through your fabulously thought out argument and how you didnt cherry pick part of the post?
I suspect you will just do the same as usual.
One trick pony who knows nothing, a troll and i suspect a very sad person, Lou Barlow king is his own mind!
Goodnight and thank-you!
Are you still bamboozled by all the facts and figures Martin lobbed your way?
You have a good night scotchy. Rest that tired, confused head of yours.
Hahaha, Lou you really dont have a clue do you, how did you make me look daft? Talk me through your fabulously thought out argument and how you didnt cherry pick part of the post?
I suspect you will just do the same as usual.
One trick pony who knows nothing, a troll and i suspect a very sad person, Lou Barlow king is his own mind!
Goodnight and thank-you!
Are you still bamboozled by all the facts and figures Martin lobbed your way?
You have a good night scotchy. Rest that tired, confused head of yours.
Lou i was never bamboozled. Learn to read the whole post instead of just what you want to read.
I said "trying to bamboozle" not "bamboozling", now i am sure you can spot the difference and remember your school days when the English teacher explained the two different meanings.
Read the post smart-ass then comment on fact not fiction.
RM messed up the company we have to pay the price for it - this is the best deal we could get
RM are in a mess by their own incompetence and arrogence but we pay with it by reducing our t&c even further...sorry about that but it's the best deal we could get
CWU still don't get it do you
We are sick and tired of paying the price for RM's bullshit while the CWU weakly cover their own ass and sell us out...again
As for delaying the vote - the excuses cited are nothing more than obvious delaying tactics while the CWU scramble to save face and themselves.
"As for those who say we will vote no and then leave the union that is just asking for Royal Mail to come back with far harsher proposals"
Guess what RM will be doing that no matter what way we vote,leave or stay
Hey ho tough luck everbody but we will still get our millions in subs every year so we will be ok
Royal Mail believe the cost of sick pay is circa 250 million but their analysis shows that circa 75% of the workforce only ever have up to one absence off per year.
So why are they intending to discriminate against this 75% ?
They aren't as the 75% having only one period of sickness will still get sick in full?
all i know no matter when they decide to send the papers out it will still be a massive NO regardless how they try and polish it , then i will be £3.50 a week better off that is for sure.
Why do you believe it will be a massive no vote and why would you come out of the Union?
I'm voting yes, but if it was a no vote I would fully support it, as it was the majority who voted for it.
You must be one of those selfish f***ers I've heard about.
RM messed up the company we have to pay the price for it - this is the best deal we could get
RM are in a mess by their own incompetence and arrogence but we pay with it by reducing our t&c even further...sorry about that but it's the best deal we could get
CWU still don't get it do you
We are sick and tired of paying the price for RM's bullshit while the CWU weakly cover their own ass and sell us out...again
As for delaying the vote - the excuses cited are nothing more than obvious delaying tactics while the CWU scramble to save face and themselves.
"As for those who say we will vote no and then leave the union that is just asking for Royal Mail to come back with far harsher proposals"
Guess what RM will be doing that no matter what way we vote,leave or stay
Hey ho tough luck everbody but we will still get our millions in subs every year so we will be ok
Pathetic
What's made you so bitter?
Delaying the vote makes sense to me, as they need this agreement, and so do we. Without it, we're all gone.
Never seen such a turncoat in all my life,it’s disgusting the dross he puts on here scaremongering us,Royal Mail ain’t going bust,they’ve got plenty assets & money,stop this nonsense
Any delivery member that votes yes needs head testing
He's telling us what he believes, we can't ask for more than that. He also knows far more about Royal Mail's position than we do.
Any Delivery member who votes yes has made their decision based on the information they have, same as the one's who vote no.
all i know no matter when they decide to send the papers out it will still be a massive NO regardless how they try and polish it , then i will be £3.50 a week better off that is for sure.
Why do you believe it will be a massive no vote and why would you come out of the Union?
I'm voting yes, but if it was a no vote I would fully support it, as it was the majority who voted for it.
You must be one of those selfish f***ers I've heard about.
vote no because this deal is shite for people in delivery where most of this agreement is aimed at , and all the cwu have done is gone back on everything we stood on the gates for all be it a watered down version of what the company wanted , all talks should have been stopped when they put a so called joint statement to stop all revisions but did they ? NO the just did what they wanted and now the cwu are using that as an excuse not to send ballot papers out ,and i wouldnt just take any money and agree to slash t&cs which massively affect others in company i couldnt do that , so please explain why im one of the selfish f***ers youve heard about ?
People have been asking about how can Royal Mail just impose changes without agreement?
Well, they have agreement through being the recognised trade union for collective bargaining and agreeing to the negotiators' agreement.
The members voting on any agreement seems academic and unnecessary, as the CWU is the designated mouth piece for the employees with the employer. But if that was to happen would be a suicide on the Trade Union.
That is why Royal Mail continues rail roading in changes already agreed with the CWU without even a whimper of discontent, legally untouchable as the courts do not recognise collective bargained agreements unless implied as legally binding.
Changes such as sick pay they are going to have problems. Again, changes to a statutory right will be an unlawful deduction of wages if not agreed. Even though sick pay entitlement is paid above statutory minimum as a contractual right, custom and practice cannot be ignored as a rebuttal to any changes.
Just my opinion and why this dispute continues to be dragged out.
So why are the union between a rock and a half place? If everything was roset financially, they'd just continue striking until they get a deal people would actually vote for? Outside the echo chamber of this board, people will vote for this agreement as it has been endorsed by the union anyway in my opinion.
Jobs going because of advancements in technology is inevitable in every industry in this country. The union are right that it's far better that they're in the room.
Because its got nothing to do with the financial position of the company. The Union are between a rock and a hard place because they don't seem to be getting anywhere by striking. Only a hardcore of posties are prepared to go out on pickets on week long strikes during a cost of living crisis when prices and everything else have gone up. The best and most effective method of strike action imho was always a 'work to rule' but a lot of posties are already doing that anyway considering the revisions. It is entirely the right thing to do for the Union to hold RM to account for delivery and USO failures; especially when the anti-union laws, the deliberate actions of the company and the useless OfCom have almost knee-capped them.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
So why are the union between a rock and a half place? If everything was roset financially, they'd just continue striking until they get a deal people would actually vote for? Outside the echo chamber of this board, people will vote for this agreement as it has been endorsed by the union anyway in my opinion.
Jobs going because of advancements in technology is inevitable in every industry in this country. The union are right that it's far better that they're in the room.
Because its got nothing to do with the financial position of the company. The Union are between a rock and a hard place because they don't seem to be getting anywhere by striking. Only a hardcore of posties are prepared to go out on pickets on week long strikes during a cost of living crisis when prices and everything else have gone up. The best and most effective method of strike action imho was always a 'work to rule' but a lot of posties are already doing that anyway considering the revisions. It is entirely the right thing to do for the Union to hold RM to account for delivery and USO failures; especially when the anti-union laws, the deliberate actions of the company and the useless OfCom have almost knee-capped them.
I think you’ve summed to situation perfectly. Royal Mail in many ways can do what it like and has been for quite a while now and the union have more or less let them do it.
Without the backing of the regulator and the government the union is more less powerless to resist change and now can only mitigate it. I think quite a few thought the regulator and the government might come to our rescue because of the USO but in reality they couldn’t care less.
6. Finally the decision on sick leave was difficult but Royal Mail had written to the union in September stating from the beginning of the financial year they going to introduce the new trigger points. They were going to give the legal 90 notice period of change in contracts for the SSP change.
Wouldn't the whole workforce have to sign a new contract agreeing to this ? What if they refused ?
6. Finally the decision on sick leave was difficult but Royal Mail had written to the union in September stating from the beginning of the financial year they going to introduce the new trigger points. They were going to give the legal 90 notice period of change in contracts for the SSP change.
Wouldn't the whole workforce have to sign a new contract agreeing to this ? What if they refused ?
I wouldn't put it past them to make other changes to our contracts at the same time
, and all the cwu have done is gone back on everything we stood on the gates for all be it a watered down version of what the company wanted , all talks should have been stopped when they put a so called joint statement to stop all revisions but did they ? NO the just did what they wanted and now the cwu are using that as an excuse not to send ballot papers out ,and i wouldnt just take any money and agree to slash t&cs which massively affect others in company i couldnt do that , so please explain why im one of the selfish f***ers youve heard about ?