Exactly the problem with this agreement people are expected to vote on. It is things that might happen, nothing set in stone with future interpretations and reviews.
That is not an agreement, but future proposals yet to be decided.
How can anybody decide their future financial stability on that?.
The CWU have said you'll get your finish times before you vote. What's Trump's favourite saying? "Fake news"
They have told us we will get the proposed and 'worst case' finish time
What really matters is that 'worst case' finish time as it doesnt matter what RM initially change it to - what matters is what they CAN change it to through the agreement.
They could tell our office we are only moving 20 minutes later initially but then later next year decide to move it 60 minutes later because the agreement gave them that scope to do so
So dont look at what time is proposed. Look at what the latest time could be and assume thats what it will end up.
I do understand that. The worse case scenario is moved 90 mins.
They have told us we will get the proposed and 'worst case' finish time
What really matters is that 'worst case' finish time as it doesnt matter what RM initially change it to - what matters is what they CAN change it to through the agreement.
They could tell our office we are only moving 20 minutes later initially but then later next year decide to move it 60 minutes later because the agreement gave them that scope to do so
So dont look at what time is proposed. Look at what the latest time could be and assume thats what it will end up.
Well on that basis you can only assume what is in the deal itself and that is a potential last letter delivery time of 16.30.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Exactly the problem with this agreement people are expected to vote on. It is things that might happen, nothing set in stone with future interpretations and reviews.
That is not an agreement, but future proposals yet to be decided.
How can anybody decide their future financial stability on that?.
The CWU have said you'll get your finish times before you vote. What's Trump's favourite saying? "Fake news"
They have told us we will get the proposed and 'worst case' finish time
What really matters is that 'worst case' finish time as it doesnt matter what RM initially change it to - what matters is what they CAN change it to through the agreement.
They could tell our office we are only moving 20 minutes later initially but then later next year decide to move it 60 minutes later because the agreement gave them that scope to do so
So dont look at what time is proposed. Look at what the latest time could be and assume thats what it will end up.
I do understand that. The worse case scenario is moved 90 mins.
Exactly the problem with this agreement people are expected to vote on. It is things that might happen, nothing set in stone with future interpretations and reviews.
That is not an agreement, but future proposals yet to be decided.
How can anybody decide their future financial stability on that?.
The CWU have said you'll get your finish times before you vote. What's Trump's favourite saying? "Fake news"
They have told us we will get the proposed and 'worst case' finish time
What really matters is that 'worst case' finish time as it doesnt matter what RM initially change it to - what matters is what they CAN change it to through the agreement.
They could tell our office we are only moving 20 minutes later initially but then later next year decide to move it 60 minutes later because the agreement gave them that scope to do so
So dont look at what time is proposed. Look at what the latest time could be and assume thats what it will end up.
I do understand that. The worse case scenario is moved 90 mins.
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
I'm sorry, but that's far too long to be out on delivery.
It's nothing to do with being lucky to have a job.
The fact that it's a s**t deal is not a legitimate reason to vote no.
Punishing the CWU or Royal Mail is not a legitimate reason to vote no.
The fact that you personally might not fancy working under these terms is not a legitimate reason to vote no.
The only legitimate reason to vote no is because you truly believe that voting no will lead to a significantly better outcome.
If that is your reason for voting no I totally respect that but there's a lot of working out to get to that place and I don't share your confidence.
There's a lot of staff who have commitments outside of RM. For a company who promoted themselves as family friendly and recruited loads of postwomen could now be telling them that that they have to work later shifts meaning that they might have to give up their job is most definitely a legitimate reason for them to vote no.
Nothing to do with punishing RM or the CWU unless they are trying to force it through. Oh wait a minute that's exactly what they are trying to do. What is taking them so long to get the times announced??
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
I'm sorry, but that's far too long to be out on delivery.
There is a 40 minute break in there though. Seems reasonable to me.
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
I'm sorry, but that's far too long to be out on delivery.
There is a 40 minute break in there though. Seems reasonable to me.
When I used to work in delivery, I think the walks were based around three and a half hours. That was long enough.
I do agree with a lot of what you say, but not on this.
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
I'm sorry, but that's far too long to be out on delivery.
There is a 40 minute break in there though. Seems reasonable to me.
Was told today by our ex d.o.m that we will be expected to do an 8am to 16.30 p.m shift pattern within a year and that 5 hour delivery spans will be the norm
This can about out of a loud conversation he was having with several disgruntled staff over the future of the company
I would also say that the manager in question is being groomed for greater things within the company,so I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claims
are they bringing in pro athletes?
We’ve had 5 hour delivery spans for years now. How do you even do a 9 day fortnight shift without them?
later starts are bad but reduction in decades of hard fought benefits such as IHR and sick pay should be enough for any respectable union to recommend a NO VOTE .
When I used to work in delivery, I think the walks were based around three and a half hours. That was long enough.
I do agree with a lot of what you say, but not on this.
That is fine, but how are you filling the rest of your day with a 3.5 hour walk? There isn’t four hours of indoor work to do, so are you proposing we all move to part time hours?
When I used to work in delivery, I think the walks were based around three and a half hours. That was long enough.
I do agree with a lot of what you say, but not on this.
That is fine, but how are you filling the rest of your day with a 3.5 hour walk? There isn’t four hours of indoor work to do, so are you proposing we all move to part time hours?
The business has shifted from a workforce that was largely full-time to one that is now mainly part-time. There are plenty of part-timers in our office doing indoor overtime to make their hours up to full-time but will that be the case in the future?
The Union has always wanted a shorter working week because they knew that there would be a reduction in the indoor work due to automation and they wanted to try and offset the larger outdoor span. Unfortunately, due to the revisions which have made our duties even bigger I've come to terms that this is not going to be the case.
So from a business point of view:
Later starts due to automation - tick
Bigger duties to offset the lack of indoor work - tick
Later finish times to ensure that you work all the hours that you are paid for - tick
Royal Mail have got everything that they have wanted from this deal....and more
Working more hours in winter when we are busier - tick
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
later starts are bad but reduction in decades of hard fought benefits such as IHR and sick pay should be enough for any respectable union to recommend a NO VOTE .
When exactly were these benefits hard fought for?
And who fought for them?
A lot of our terms and conditions are a legacy of being civil servants.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
- tick