Alternatives?

[hazzeem025]

So we've got a bunch of morons obsessed with shareholder returns running the company.....and according to some on here a union hierachy that only cares about itself and feathering its own nest?

So where does that leave us? More talks? More strikes? More executive action? This just seems to be a never ending cycle of s**t.

[Woody Guthrie]

I think the elephant in the room is..

Would the room actually be empty?

Would Royal Mail who have spent 12 months looking like they weren't that interested in any deal and showing us that they didn't need one to force through change be up for renegotiating this one?

I'm not convinced they would.

[jahbalon]

It's a bit of a mess. But it needs sorted out one way or the other.
The only positive suggestion I can up with just now, is a CWU/Royal Mail Non Balloted transitional acceptance/incorporation of the Deal, pending further and ongoing discussions and negotiations at the Industrial Relations.

[scotchy1962]

None of us have the solution to this problem, well not a solution they would find acceptable, RMs solution is to try to push more and more onto us mere mortals at the bottom.
But even us mere mortals can only do so much in the given time. So we cant finish it.
The next thing its all our fault, lazy good for nothing posties.
In my opinion there needs to be a complete back to basics reset by RM, the ones in charge are grasping at straws trying to get out of the hole they have dug for themselves and hoping something will work.
We have never been opposed to change but sometimes it would help if it was change that works, this half arsed idea from somebody in a darkened room who knows nothing about delivery method and then implementing said idea isnt working.
As for the alternative to this agreement and the vote result, i am afraid i dont know, i cant accept it but i dont have a alternative.
Perhaps instead of blaming us RM hold their collective hands up and take at least some of the blame as a starting point to some sort of talks with the union on how the company gets out of the mess its in.
And get some people who know how to run the company correctly and treat their workforce as a asset and not a problem.

[DirtyHarry]

All I know is, I cannot vote for such a piss-poor deal that gives us nothing but the most basic of pay rises, and gives those bastard bosses more of our precious terms and conditions.

Only those, for whom the gig economy was created, will vote Yes.
And they will deserve everything they get.

[billycat]

So people on here are concerned about royal mail turning us into gig economy work force so by voting no that will stop them i honestly think it will speed up the process royal mail could just steam ahead with the changes when it decides too what are the members going to do strike until xmas again the majority in the office i work in were on the brink of returning to work during the last strikes i know the deal is very disappointing but i think more strikes are a waste of time royal mail threw everything at us to break the union and failed i am not going to help them by voting against the union, as for shareholders dividends they have just been cancelled again so the major shareholder in royal mail who has invested hundreds of millions is not going to plan unless ids is sold off then we will have a problem just my opinion.

[nuisance]

An all out strike needs attempting. The company are quite happy with being abysmal failures but the government might well get it's act together and get involved if the postal service actually halted instead of just being disrupted. Disruption is an inconvenience to customers but it's not on the same level as revoking the service, we don't know what impact that would have because it hasn't been attempted yet.

[Jinder]

All I know is, I cannot vote for such a piss-poor deal that gives us nothing but the most basic of pay rises, and gives those bastard bosses more of our precious terms and conditions.

Only those, for whom the gig economy was created, will vote Yes.
And they will deserve everything they get.

Spot on!

[Jinder]

All I know is, I cannot vote for such a piss-poor deal that gives us nothing but the most basic of pay rises, and gives those bastard bosses more of our precious terms and conditions.

Only those, for whom the gig economy was created, will vote Yes.
And they will deserve everything they get.

Spot on!

[koolishy67]

Win win for royal mail vote NO they still go ahed vote YES they still go ahed

[POP2022]

MY PLAN

1. 5 day letter delivery to every UK address, 7 day parcel delivery. Posties work 4/5 Monday to Friday, work 12 Saturdays a year, 4 Sundays a year.

2. No more dog bites, every farm or house has a delivery point at the end of their drive/track/road. Not only would this save on fuel, would save posties legs.

3. Posties work 32 hours, 40 weeks of the year, 12 busiest weeks they work 40 hours.

4. Real profit share, 25% of RM profit is shared with staff.

5. Sick pay, first month full sick pay, months 1-3 80% pay, months 3-6 60% pay. Any work related illness full pay

6.

[guardianangel]

I still find it hard to grasp why anyone would vote yes,when in a negotiation you get a bit and they get a bit and compromise,we have got nothing and they have got everything ,no matter how its dressed up and how they have stopped this and that the truth is we have got nothing.Please lets not fall into the trap and in 2 years time when the business says we have made more millions because the workers sold themselves to us and we fill the shareholders pockets yet again,have we learnt nothing.

[Nickvilla20]

I still find it hard to grasp why anyone would vote yes,when in a negotiation you get a bit and they get a bit and compromise,we have got nothing and they have got everything ,no matter how its dressed up and how they have stopped this and that the truth is we have got nothing.Please lets not fall into the trap and in 2 years time when the business says we have made more millions because the workers sold themselves to us and we fill the shareholders pockets yet again,have we learnt nothing.

Why is it hard to grasp if people vote yes?

Maybe people have had enough of striking and losing money. Maybe people don’t have the will to fight on anymore especially with the union ratifying the deal and there been no plan B.

I actually admire people who vote no and want to fight on but sadly the battle is lost but Royal Mail haven’t exactly won either. They’ve lost in financial terms and reputation it’s also doesn’t help that they are competing against the gig economy.

I don’t think it’s a particularly good deal but it’s the best we are going to get as neither side is interested in reopening negotiations.

[SpacePhoenix]

Maybe people have had enough of striking and losing money. Maybe people don’t have the will to fight on anymore especially with the union ratifying the deal and there been no plan B.

Will they be happy when RM ram through a load more changes in a few months? I can't see them taking much notice of the union if they did ram through a load of changes whether it's a yes or no vote

[nuisance]

sadly the battle is lost

Perhaps our union negotiators need looking at? In other union roles, I'm less than impressed with Chris Webb's Facebook imput, the lawyers responsible for ensuring the legality of ballots and strikes cock up repeatedly, the organisation of the strike program could have been miles more targeted, etc, etc...

Maybe our negotiators are rubbish? Martin Walsh's comment about how when RM "made it clear" any pay rise had to be linked to change, they went "oh right then" and combined the ballots. It smacks of incompetence or deliberate side-swapping.

To me, in a fight, you try to advance but you sure as hell don't retreat or give up the position you're already in, which is what the union decision makers have done all along.

We need to actually fight and do it properly, minus the incompetence/ deliberate failings and inexplicable weakness.