Fao Martin Walsh / New start times

[77SAMPOST77]

Are you suggesting we send these people back into the room to negotiate a better deal?

Well, the RCN are doing exactly that.

But that still does not change the fact the members reject a proposed deal through a democratic mandate and the executive has an allegation to respect and endorse that ballot result.

If not, what is the point of even having a ballot and giving the members a say?

They will keep pushing the ballot back until they are sure of a yes vote , Thus giving time for useful idiots like Lou and Milly to try and convince us to vote yes by using scaremongering tactics like see you at the job center nonsense .

[aiden01]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Are job centres still aa thing?

More scaremongering by gloom and doom Lou .

It worries me that not only do you not know what you're talking about you don't even know who you're talking to...

[Spartacus]

A trade unions number one job is to protect and enhance the terms and conditions of it's members, if they can't do that they should stand for re-election and give the members the chance to elect people who will fight to protect and better our terms and conditions.

Everything else is a distraction, there is no inevitability about this deal, it's all hypothetical doom and gloom deliberately designed to take our attention away from the failure of the union leadership.

Stand up to them, vote No and carry on the fight or sit down and meekly accept the continuing deterioration of our working lives and of those who follow behind us.

Which side are you on?

[Woody Guthrie]

Which side are you on?

Aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

Does that only count if someone agrees with you?

I wouldn't trust most of these so-called union members on here as far as I could throw them, they talk about standing strong and striking and call anyone who disagrees with them a coward and worse.

Most of you guys wouldn't know proper trade union values if they bit you on the arse.

[77SAMPOST77]

Which side are you on?

Aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

Does that only count if someone agrees with you?

I wouldn't trust most of these so-called union members on here as far as I could throw them, they talk about standing strong and striking and call anyone who disagrees with them a coward and worse.

Most of you guys wouldn't know proper trade union values if they bit you on the arse.

Anyone with proper trade union values would not be voting yes like you are Woody .

[sindba]

Also bear in mind if you vote yes, that once this deal is implemented, the job will be as good as it is ever going to be.

Forget all this "live to fight another day" stuff. When RM come after us next time - and they will, soon - an improvement will not be on the table.

[postslippete]

They will keep pushing the ballot back until they are sure of a yes vote , Thus giving time for useful idiots like Lou and Milly to try and convince us to vote yes by using scaremongering tactics like see you at the job center nonsense .

Was that Woody's post?

Tbf he makes some decent points on here. And I have looked at the vote from both points of view. There a few guys in our office that are voting yes simply because although it's a crap deal they don't see any other alternative.

For me it's about the lies, damned lies and statistics regarding Royal Mail's financial position because it was on that basis that the union leadership change their stance and agreed this shocking deal. And I just can't get my head around it.

RM are now reporting a £1 billion annual loss which I find absolutely staggering. And it doesn't add up. For a business that said last year it was losing a million pounds a day, well, for a full year that amounts to 365 million. IDS as a group made £758 million in profit around this time last year. We know that they squandered most of it to shareholders and executive bonuses. But then RM said they lost around £200 million due to strike action. Where has all the money gone?? Just fiddling the accounts even though they made duties bigger in quarter 4. Now they want reduced sick pay and for you to work more hours in winter!! Even more money being saved

[X_hamster]

Also bear in mind if you vote yes, that once this deal is implemented, the job will be as good as it is ever going to be.

Forget all this "live to fight another day" stuff. When RM come after us next time - and they will, soon - an improvement will not be on the table.

Yup and same as the crap about we'll try and get the sick policy restored,...

if the sickness goes down, whilst lumping in more revisions making walks impossible

Yeah right, they will be back to slash it more soon

[billycat]

The union balloted us to strike so we did now they are telling us this is the best deal they can get us if the vote comes back as a no the changes will still happen minus the pay rise what will people do strike through the summer months or withdraw their labour until royal mail give us money and withdraw all their proposals i think either way these changes will happen royal mail is a sinking ship competing against the gig economy with zero help from any government party get what you can out of them and look elsewhere for a better job that fits your lifestyle, i can say the majority of the office i work at will be voting yes they are sick of striking sorry if this upsets people.

[pieoftheday]

Meanwhile Mr Ward was on TV this afternoon saying how RM management need to get the workforce back on board, I missed most of the Interview

[daveyeff]

at first the CWU said if we didn't vote to strike then we were ''endorsing'' later starts. then it was win the ballot win the dispute. now its the best we can get. and more over if we vote no then its administration. i remember Pullinger saying he would rather ''smash it all to bits'' than give it over to them. its time for Ward and Fury to fall on their swords. they've (in their own words) lost the dressing room. or in this case the membership. well, most of them.

[LouBarlow]

RM's circumstances are not our concern.

I'll keep that in mind when we're standing together at the job centre.

Are job centres still aa thing?

More scaremongering by gloom and doom Lou .

It worries me that not only do you not know what you're talking about you don't even know who you're talking to...

It is terrifying isn’t it? People with this intelligence are voting on all of our futures. God help us.

[Spartacus]

Which side are you on?

Aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

Does that only count if someone agrees with you?

I wouldn't trust most of these so-called union members on here as far as I could throw them, they talk about standing strong and striking and call anyone who disagrees with them a coward and worse.

Most of you guys wouldn't know proper trade union values if they bit you on the arse.

You can't say "We're all supposed to be on the same side" and then berate those who disagree with you.

You're a rep, you know full well that people use emotive language when they're frustrated and angry, a "free and frank exchange of views" is common thing most reps will experience, let's not be upset by posters using emotive language, we've all been through it.

Trade union values? A bit of a vague term after 50 years of neo-liberalism and erosion of workers rights, here's 3 of mine, Never cross a picket line, solidarity to all workers and an injury to one is an injury to all.

Which side are you on is a song from a 1931 miners strike in the USA, reprised by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn during the UK miners strike.

[LouBarlow]

Which side are you on?

Aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

Does that only count if someone agrees with you?

I wouldn't trust most of these so-called union members on here as far as I could throw them, they talk about standing strong and striking and call anyone who disagrees with them a coward and worse.

Most of you guys wouldn't know proper trade union values if they bit you on the arse.

You can't say "We're all supposed to be on the same side" and then berate those who disagree with you.

You're a rep, you know full well that people use emotive language when they're frustrated and angry, a "free and frank exchange of views" is common thing most reps will experience, let's not be upset by posters using emotive language, we've all been through it.

Trade union values? A bit of a vague term after 50 years of neo-liberalism and erosion of workers rights, here's 3 of mine, Never cross a picket line, solidarity to all workers and an injury to one is an injury to all.

Which side are you on is a song from a 1931 miners strike in the USA, reprised by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn during the UK miners strike.

Have you just woken up? We have had people who dare to work overtime called strike breakers on here, yet you take umbrage with what Woody posted?

[Spartacus]

Which side are you on?

Aren't we all supposed to be on the same side?

Does that only count if someone agrees with you?

I wouldn't trust most of these so-called union members on here as far as I could throw them, they talk about standing strong and striking and call anyone who disagrees with them a coward and worse.

Most of you guys wouldn't know proper trade union values if they bit you on the arse.

You can't say "We're all supposed to be on the same side" and then berate those who disagree with you.

You're a rep, you know full well that people use emotive language when they're frustrated and angry, a "free and frank exchange of views" is common thing most reps will experience, let's not be upset by posters using emotive language, we've all been through it.

Trade union values? A bit of a vague term after 50 years of neo-liberalism and erosion of workers rights, here's 3 of mine, Never cross a picket line, solidarity to all workers and an injury to one is an injury to all.

Which side are you on is a song from a 1931 miners strike in the USA, reprised by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn during the UK miners strike.

Have you just woken up? We have had people who dare to work overtime called strike breakers on here, yet you take umbrage with what Woody posted?

I don't read every post pal, and how is that relevant to anything I posted in response to WGs reply?