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RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT:National Agreed Trial Indoor Delivery: Method change

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Post by kazardaimenu »

If they have found a miracle solution to indoor prep through ‘automation’ then they should grant us a shorter working week to reflect that not try and send us out with 6hr30 deliveries. Hard to imagine this working.
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dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 16:07
still cant picture what this entails like others on here (bench merging etc) but what happens when mail is brought back (after people inevitably failing to complete on time), does that throw a spanner in the works?
Won't it only work if they bring in "Commit to deliver"?
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Post by dazzler123 »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:37
dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 16:07
still cant picture what this entails like others on here (bench merging etc) but what happens when mail is brought back (after people inevitably failing to complete on time), does that throw a spanner in the works?
Won't it only work if they bring in "Commit to deliver"?
you would assume so, but in the latest CWU video it states we still have a finish time
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dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:55
SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:37
dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 16:07
still cant picture what this entails like others on here (bench merging etc) but what happens when mail is brought back (after people inevitably failing to complete on time), does that throw a spanner in the works?
Won't it only work if they bring in "Commit to deliver"?
you would assume so, but in the latest CWU video it states we still have a finish time
I wouldn't put it past RM to bring in "Commit to deliver" at the same time by EA
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Post by TopperGas »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 19:10
dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:55
SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:37
dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 16:07
still cant picture what this entails like others on here (bench merging etc) but what happens when mail is brought back (after people inevitably failing to complete on time), does that throw a spanner in the works?
Won't it only work if they bring in "Commit to deliver"?
you would assume so, but in the latest CWU video it states we still have a finish time
I wouldn't put it past RM to bring in "Commit to deliver" at the same time by EA
Stop being a WUM!
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Post by kazardaimenu »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 18:37
dazzler123 wrote:
29 Apr 2023, 16:07
still cant picture what this entails like others on here (bench merging etc) but what happens when mail is brought back (after people inevitably failing to complete on time), does that throw a spanner in the works?
Won't it only work if they bring in "Commit to deliver"?
It will be commit to deliver a sack of unsorted mail to try and force everyone out of the job.
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Anyone who thinks bench merging or anything similar would work needs to come and take a look at some of the frames in my office with 2 or 3 days mail in them. Its insane how much mail some houses get, the letters and small packets are just one big mess bursting out the slots and it then takes longer to tie up and everything is more difficult.

And to then imagine all that mail . . . without a frame?! WTF??
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mjd24 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 16:22
Anyone who thinks bench merging or anything similar would work needs to come and take a look at some of the frames in my office with 2 or 3 days mail in them. Its insane how much mail some houses get, the letters and small packets are just one big mess bursting out the slots and it then takes longer to tie up and everything is more difficult.

And to then imagine all that mail . . . without a frame?! WTF??
I think RM look at it as a way to reduce their estate, merging DOs to allow offices to be sold to developers
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Post by daveyeff »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 22:41
mjd24 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 16:22
Anyone who thinks bench merging or anything similar would work needs to come and take a look at some of the frames in my office with 2 or 3 days mail in them. Its insane how much mail some houses get, the letters and small packets are just one big mess bursting out the slots and it then takes longer to tie up and everything is more difficult.

And to then imagine all that mail . . . without a frame?! WTF??
I think RM look at it as a way to reduce their estate, merging DOs to allow offices to be sold to developers
ok space,,,,,,imagine the mail centre without a LSM or a PSM ...... how would you's cut it?
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Post by ANDREW CROCOMBE »

Now we add in say 10 returning packets every day, that will be delivered the next day, can't bloody move or prep frame as it is - surprised no one hasn't gone flying over the garbage on the floor. Until we are walking for 99% of our day, the idiots won't be happy. Compared with the knackered donkeys carrying the bricks in the heat (agreed by the equivalent of the CWU)
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daveyeff wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 22:45
SpacePhoenix wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 22:41
mjd24 wrote:
30 Apr 2023, 16:22
Anyone who thinks bench merging or anything similar would work needs to come and take a look at some of the frames in my office with 2 or 3 days mail in them. Its insane how much mail some houses get, the letters and small packets are just one big mess bursting out the slots and it then takes longer to tie up and everything is more difficult.

And to then imagine all that mail . . . without a frame?! WTF??
I think RM look at it as a way to reduce their estate, merging DOs to allow offices to be sold to developers
ok space,,,,,,imagine the mail centre without a LSM or a PSM ...... how would you's cut it?
We don't have a PSM but if our remaining iLSM was removed, then they'd have to remove all the CSS machines as well (CSS machines read the orange barcodes, if a letter doesn't have them or they're in the wrong place the CSS will reject them). All letters would go as manual and if they took away the manual letter frames then the letters would get sorted into the packet sleeves
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ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote:
01 May 2023, 12:07
Now we add in say 10 returning packets every day, that will be delivered the next day, can't bloody move or prep frame as it is - surprised no one hasn't gone flying over the garbage on the floor. Until we are walking for 99% of our day, the idiots won't be happy. Compared with the knackered donkeys carrying the bricks in the heat (agreed by the equivalent of the CWU)
And now even less time to deliver mail. Many times you are going to use 2 DIB cards for a single packet now, absolute feckwits running the show
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Post by Krafty »

Has the trials started in the 8 DOs yet, and if they have, any update on this?
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Krafty wrote:
14 May 2023, 15:52
Has the trials started in the 8 DOs yet, and if they have, any update on this?
The trials started a few months ago
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Post by pieoftheday »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:18
Krafty wrote:
14 May 2023, 15:52
Has the trials started in the 8 DOs yet, and if they have, any update on this?
The trials started a few months ago
Can you elaborate?