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What does the future hold for the humble postie.

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Re: What does the future hold for the humble postie.

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nuisance wrote:
14 May 2023, 15:55
As for evening parcel delivery, why not more availability for doing this as designated shifts? Surely there enough people past doing all the walking that would take up the less appealing hours in exchange for coming off the walks and just doing parcels?
If I was in charge I'd be looking for a minimum of two people for any daily parcel route. Ideally four or eight. If I had four bodies I would set up a rota for one week on the parcel duty and three weeks back at the walk - they still keep their hand in on the duties but the role is something different and perhaps an interesting change with a bit of a later start/lie-in for a week. And I would get an electric (i.e., automatic) van for that role because it not only looks good to the customer and potential customers thinking of carbon footprint, but for the postie it saves your left foot, ankle and knee aching after a few hours of stop-start traffic or just stopping and starting between houses. Cost per mile is lower for electric vans and nationally I wonder how many miles we all do - could be a real saving. It would also be a bit of a perk to have the niceness van in the yard. If anyone on a walking duty needed a break (or hurt their left leg/arm) they could be swapped on to the role for a bit to recover. I'd would look to let them take the van home if possible (suitable parking etc.) during the week, give them a granny charger (works on a 3-pin plug) to charge it up over night and a small stipend to cover the cost of electricity.

Of course, as of writing, they do not seem interested in doing any of that. I'd love to be proved wrong.
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It's been a race to the bottom for 20 years and people are asking what's in store for them 😆.
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Wullie10 wrote:
14 May 2023, 16:51
It's been a race to the bottom for 20 years and people are asking what's in store for them 😆. We will probably have a LibDeb/Labour government full of Oxbridge middle class people who never worked a day in their lives , identical twins of the Tories and we'll all live happy ever after in paradise. 3 day week , 80% pay rise , retire at 40 and your farts will smell of roses.
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milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I see DPD in my area delivering at around 7 a.m. why aren’t we
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ANDREW CROCOMBE wrote:
14 May 2023, 13:51
Would accept a 5 day uso/week with weekends off. That way they wouldn't have to cover people's day off, could probably get enough people to deliver parcels 24/7 if they don't go owner driver. Even a 40 hr week would only equal an 8 hour day, with added incentive of weekends away from the place. RM wrongly believe that If we offer the same as rivals, then we'll coin it in - doubtful. If we keep making (as pre COVID) £300 million a year, then IF that's not enough I suggest they pack it in.
It won't be enough. That is how 'mad' super charged capitalism is. If profits are the same as the last year then the share price goes down. That's because in order to realise a profit on your shares you must first sell them. But the buyer of your shares will only buy them if he thinks the share price is set to increase. Why would it increase if the profit stays the same? It won't. At best, the share price will stay the same [all other factors being equal, which of course they almost never are].
Oh, and did I mention that if you can't get revenue to increase due to a competitive market or a recession, then the only other way to increase profit is by cutting costs.
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rubberbond wrote:
14 May 2023, 17:27
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I see DPD in my area delivering at around 7 a.m. why aren’t we
I really don't think you want the same delivery times as DPD :nana

What Are DPD Delivery Times UK?
DPD delivers parcels, packets and small packages to both business and personal customers in the UK. But what time can you expect your DPD delivery to arrive?

DPD drivers make their deliveries between 8am and 6pm. This means that your DPD delivery could arrive as early as 8am or as late as 6pm. However, there are instances where a delivery may arrive before 8am or after 6pm, depending on the schedule of the delivery driver.
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milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I know i asked you this originally, but i dont think you really gave a answer. Why exactly do you think we need to change?
I personally think we dont need to but you seem to think we do, i am interested to know exactly why anyone thinks we need too. And saying the other couriers do it isnt really a answer, last time i looked we arent just any courier.
We deliver mail.
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rubberbond wrote:
14 May 2023, 17:27
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I see DPD in my area delivering at around 7 a.m. why aren’t we
For a good few DOs their final run won't arrive until after 07:00
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scotchy1962 wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:14
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I know i asked you this originally, but i dont think you really gave a answer. Why exactly do you think we need to change?
I personally think we dont need to but you seem to think we do, i am interested to know exactly why anyone thinks we need too. And saying the other couriers do it isnt really a answer, last time i looked we arent just any courier.
We deliver mail.
Do we need to change? I don't know.
Will we copy what the competition does? Almost definitely.
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milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 09:04
guardianangel wrote:
14 May 2023, 09:00
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 08:46
guardianangel wrote:
14 May 2023, 08:43
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 08:23
People can cling on to those halcyon days all they like but Royal Mail will slowly align with other delivery companies.
The Union have done a decent job of delaying and mitigating this so far despite what the extremists on here say.
That comment there is the exact reason why the delivery sector is one of the worst to work in for pay terms and conditions ,the acceptance by the unions and workers that we are worthless, we are not.
What are you proposing instead to get much better wages and conditions and yet stay competitive?
You have been listening to the rhetoric from Royal Mail and CWU HQ, its always been the case they must deliver letters and parcels under the rules of the privatisation,if that means the parcels keeping letters a float so be it,just because Amazon are making billions doesn't mean every delivery company has too,Royal Mail was the 2nd biggest profit earner in the UK last year and chose to give all that away,why should workers except so little so the elitists can make more money ,it doesn't have to be this way but if you carry on excepting it then that's what you'll get.
The vast majority of the money made in that time actually came from the taxpayer during Covid.
It was mainly a taxpayer funded profit.
Good point that.
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ruckus wrote:
14 May 2023, 09:18
The future of Royal Mail is in the hands of those at the top and what they choose to focus on.

While the company is private the focus will surely always be on shareholder profit. There seems to be some conflation between being profitable and being competitive. Those terms should be kept separate. You can be competitive and make little to no profit. Royal Mail is so focused on profit it’s causing problems. Twitter is very “competitive” and doesn’t make a profit. Facebook ran for years without any profit. These are billion dollar companies.

Now giving out shares is not an evil and greedy thing per se. It is the original crowd-funding idea. Before shares a business would have to go to friends and family, but more likely the bank and get a loan and the banks had a lot of the power. If a farmer wanted to buy a bigger field, or more chickens, or a larger tractor to compete with another farm and the bank denied the loan then selling shares where you as an individual can own a piece of the business and help that farmer succeed sounds kind of nice. And you get paid a dividend on your shares as a rewards for risking your money in a business that could fail. For example if the new tractor had a fuel leak and set fire to the house and barn, and apart from 60 roast chickens for sale there are now little to no assets to be shared out to the smaller investors.

If the company is run by people who focus on that shareholder profit then the focus is always going to be on how much profit it can make in the next few years – long-term thinking and future planning can be ignored.

If there was a big change of direction at the top where what the company needs to do for the country and how it goes about achieving that was put first as the priority then you may see a difference.

It seems that there is far more money in parcels than letters and so, as the focus is on profit, the company is looking to accommodate parcels first and kick the efficient delivery of letters down the road for discussion another day – the failing USO etc.

If you need to prioritise parcels then it makes sense to look at other parcel companies and mimic what they are doing in an attempt to try to catch up or even overtake them in what services are offered. You would implement things like scanning parcels multiple times so the customer can see what’s happening at every stage. And you could start an auto-redelivery service as a “great for the customer” idea. Then cross your fingers your business grows. The postie doesn’t like it but the company is looking to help customers before us.

It may be that privatisation was a terrible thing for a company that provides a service like letter delivery because while it is still very much needed for the country, if there is no money in it the company will not spend the required amount of money to maintain the service let alone improve it for the current marketplace.

What does the future hold for Royal Mail? Well it could get worse or it could get better. It depends if you are looking, for example, three months, three years, or three decades into the future. In the short to medium term it will most likely get worse – at least while those at the top ignore letters and if they continue to push for parcels and profit. If Royal Mail could defocus on profit and instead look to the quality of service of both letters and parcels and stop being jealous of Fedex, DPD, Evri, UPS, et al. and their “profitable” stream of parcels (using pence per drop and owner-drivers etc. who work late into the night) they could change (back) into a very well respected, durable, dependable, and steadfast part of the UK for years to come.
Probably one of the best posts I've read on here.
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The issue with "copying the competition" is that it gives us nothing to differentiate us, so people will stop using us.
I have been told at least once a day since next day delivery came in that the recipients want Royal Mail because we keep the parcel safe and take it to the post office. They don't want to have to manually rearrange their deliveries. Today I took a bunch of packets that had already been attempted twice, because there wasn't room for them in the collections office now we don't automatically take them to the 3 local post offices we used to.
RM can look at the "competition" and want their profits, but when we start doing the job exactly as they do it'll become apparent that a lot of the people that use us, use us because we aren't them
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Post by enskied »

milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:18
scotchy1962 wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:14
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I know i asked you this originally, but i dont think you really gave a answer. Why exactly do you think we need to change?
I personally think we dont need to but you seem to think we do, i am interested to know exactly why anyone thinks we need too. And saying the other couriers do it isnt really a answer, last time i looked we arent just any courier.
We deliver mail.
Do we need to change? I don't know.
Will we copy what the competition does? Almost definitely.
So I could in the future work as a delivery Postie with RM... Or work for any other delivery parcel company for just a little less money and a lot less stress, bulling and harassment and actually a lot less work.
Let's hope RM can recruit.
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Post by milly »

enskied wrote:
14 May 2023, 21:02
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:18
scotchy1962 wrote:
14 May 2023, 19:14
milly wrote:
14 May 2023, 07:21
Like it or not the future means Royal Mail will have to align with the Delivery times of other Courers to survive.
I know i asked you this originally, but i dont think you really gave a answer. Why exactly do you think we need to change?
I personally think we dont need to but you seem to think we do, i am interested to know exactly why anyone thinks we need too. And saying the other couriers do it isnt really a answer, last time i looked we arent just any courier.
We deliver mail.
Do we need to change? I don't know.
Will we copy what the competition does? Almost definitely.
So I could in the future work as a delivery Postie with RM... Or work for any other delivery parcel company for just a little less money and a lot less stress, bulling and harassment and actually a lot less work.
Let's hope RM can recruit.
How do you know that other Couriers have less stress in their job?
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Oh you mentioned the stress. Not the bullying and harassment or workload.