It is what every union does

[LouBarlow]

Again, I have no idea why you would like that to be true, but it isn't. There is a great deal of things to still strike for. The union's statements and spin are not representative of our, the membership's, side (hence the necessity for a "no vote" in the ballot). Nothing "permeates down" to members, what nonsense! Losing pay must be organised in a much more targeted, impactful way. A "no vote" will result in some industrial action if the membership instructs it.

Why do you honestly think, on the back of a 95% ballot to strike result, the CWU agreed to this deal instead of calling strike action? They had the exact instruction from members at this point, but they didn’t call them. I wonder why?

[nuisance]

Why do you honestly think, on the back of a 95% ballot to strike result, the CWU agreed to this deal instead of calling strike action? They had the exact instruction from members at this point, but they didn’t call them. I wonder why?

As put very well and simply in another thread: They've been got to.

This is all part of a very sinister agenda. They certainly didn't wake up one morning and do a total u-turn about how a total pile of shite has somehow become something good.

[richj2009]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Pda data surely takes account of speed and time out of office. I often walk into office with ghosters up to date on prep while my frame at start time is empty.

[FilthyBloke]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Pda data surely takes account of speed and time out of office. I often walk into office with ghosters up to date on prep while my frame at start time is empty.

You would hope it does. In my office walks have been made bigger because people were finishing early. Ghosting has all but stopped.

[richj2009]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Pda data surely takes account of speed and time out of office. I often walk into office with ghosters up to date on prep while my frame at start time is empty.

You would hope it does. In my office walks have been made bigger because people were finishing early. Ghosting has all but stopped.

The next three duties to go will mark the end of ghosting as any ghosting would near on mean doing two duties on your own. This will mean instead of a ghoster clearing mail it will now just build up. I am just about on the edge. The odd hour here and there over but this next round of cuts will be a step too far and mail with undoubtedly begin to build up.

[Dorset Plodder]

Thanks to Martin for his input over the years, on balance I think it's been to the benefit of RMC users, regardless of present circumstances.

This has been a very important, and relevant, subject with a lot of posters making well reasoned comments ... and it's not degenerated into the too familiar name calling and insults.

I've listened to both sides of the argument, and there's a lot to be said for both the YES, and NO Vote. Personally I've found this one of the most difficult decisions I've had to make.

I feel a lot of people have made up their minds already and aren't going to be swayed by others, even a well reasoned argument.

[dazzler123]

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The next three duties to go will mark the end of ghosting as any ghosting would near on mean doing two duties on your own. This will mean instead of a ghoster clearing mail it will now just build up. I am just about on the edge. The odd hour here and there over but this next round of cuts will be a step too far and mail with undoubtedly begin to build up.
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ive been on a sliding scale over the months being more stricter about not going over. The new revisions we had this week along with the auto delivery, not a chance im flogging myself to make it work. if some sanity decision making returns to the job in future, i will act accordingly

[mjd24]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Theres a guy in my office who doubles up and ghosts almost everyday (he’s insane).

He gets 2 frames done by 1/2pm, earlier on very light days.

The walks he’s doing are huge. When he’s day off or on leave whoever gets put on it struggle massively, often managing just one frame between the 2 of them.

This has been the case for years. He is just a different level and im not saying its good or bad or that he should be allowed to be home by 2pm whilst “getting paid till 8/9pm”.

but if theyre gonna look at his pda data then hopefully theyd check out those on his walks when he’s on leave.

[k979aaa]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Theres a guy in my office who doubles up and ghosts almost everyday (he’s insane).

He gets 2 frames done by 1/2pm, earlier on very light days.

The walks he’s doing are huge. When he’s day off or on leave whoever gets put on it struggle massively, often managing just one frame between the 2 of them.

This has been the case for years. He is just a different level and im not saying its good or bad or that he should be allowed to be home by 2pm whilst “getting paid till 8/9pm”.

but if theyre gonna look at his pda data then hopefully theyd check out those on his walks when he’s on leave.

Who says he delivers it all he might sell it on ebay and do half the work you all did last week or recycle the work for you all to do their is many a way to catch a thief and tweaking a toe or two is not one of them

[Dorset Plodder]

Theres a guy in my office who doubles up and ghosts almost everyday (he’s insane).

He gets 2 frames done by 1/2pm, earlier on very light days.

The walks he’s doing are huge. When he’s day off or on leave whoever gets put on it struggle massively, often managing just one frame between the 2 of them.

This has been the case for years. He is just a different level and im not saying its good or bad or that he should be allowed to be home by 2pm whilst “getting paid till 8/9pm”.

but if theyre gonna look at his pda data then hopefully theyd check out those on his walks when he’s on leave.

I love the way RM will use the data when it suits them (to gaslight posties) but will then ignore it when it suits them as well (such as Ghosting)

The low standard of Office Managers probably has a lot to do with the state the businesss is in. Lazy Idiots most of them.

[k979aaa]

Theres a guy in my office who doubles up and ghosts almost everyday (he’s insane).

He gets 2 frames done by 1/2pm, earlier on very light days.

The walks he’s doing are huge. When he’s day off or on leave whoever gets put on it struggle massively, often managing just one frame between the 2 of them.

This has been the case for years. He is just a different level and im not saying its good or bad or that he should be allowed to be home by 2pm whilst “getting paid till 8/9pm”.

but if theyre gonna look at his pda data then hopefully theyd check out those on his walks when he’s on leave.

I love the way RM will use the data when it suits them (to gaslight posties) but will then ignore it when it suits them as well (such as Ghosting)

The low standard of Office Managers probably has a lot to do with the state the businesss is in. Lazy Idiots most of them.

As long as they get a bonus they don't give a s**t

[pieoftheday]

For example the ghosting boys in our office have all been off with hernia ops. We will all now be expected to do, on a daily basis, what they were once paid handsomely for.

what are ghosting boys? never heard that one before

I thought ghosting was widespread. Basically they get paid extra hours to do an extra half duty or lats. As a result they rush round at lightening speed and often get done within contracted hours but are paid until six or something. I don't begrudge them that as it is hard work.

Ghosting should really be a thing of the past now.
With the data RM can pull up it will only show that a particular duty needs more adding to it.

That's not true. They largely start early have no break and run round safe in the knowledge they will be paid long after finishing. We could all run and take no break and get done. Without ghosting a lot of work wouldn't be done and certainly couldn't be added to existing duties. If you walk two miles you get there in say 30 mins. If you run it takes 20. It doesn't mean those duties need more added.

It doesn’t mean it needs more.
But PDA data will show duties can be done by a certain time and it puts extra pressure on the posties who don’t want to start early and run round.

Theres a guy in my office who doubles up and ghosts almost everyday (he’s insane).

He gets 2 frames done by 1/2pm, earlier on very light days.

The walks he’s doing are huge. When he’s day off or on leave whoever gets put on it struggle massively, often managing just one frame between the 2 of them.

This has been the case for years. He is just a different level and im not saying its good or bad or that he should be allowed to be home by 2pm whilst “getting paid till 8/9pm”.

but if theyre gonna look at his pda data then hopefully theyd check out those on his walks when he’s on leave.

We've had a bloke like that,turned out most of the mail was in his loft

[postslippete]

I love the way RM will use the data when it suits them (to gaslight posties) but will then ignore it when it suits them as well (such as Ghosting)

The low standard of Office Managers probably has a lot to do with the state the businesss is in. Lazy Idiots most of them.

As long as they get a bonus they don't give a s**t

Yep, that's usually how it works.


One week the managers are busy lapsing duties, saving overtime and leaving stuff in the frames. The next they are asking staff to work their days off and bringing in agency staff to clear the frames.

The only thing that remains consistent is that all the Tracked items seem to be getting delivered

[LouBarlow]

As put very well and simply in another thread: They've been got to.

This is all part of a very sinister agenda. They certainly didn't wake up one morning and do a total u-turn about how a total pile of shite has somehow become something good.

Did the thread you refer to offer up any kind of evidence, or is this some bizarre conspiracy theory that has been dreamed up, when the truth is, they changed their tune after seeing the finances? That seems more likely to me, but people don’t want to believe it for some reason.

[nuisance]

Did the thread you refer to offer up any kind of evidence, or is this some bizarre conspiracy theory that has been dreamed up, when the truth is, they changed their tune after seeing the finances? That seems more likely to me, but people don’t want to believe it for some reason.

Not dreamed up, concluded. The reasons being, firstly, that RM have a proven track record of lying, not only about the same situation in the past but about all sorts of things, including under oath, secondly, that the "bizarre conspiracy theory" fits sensibly with the way that this is playing out and thirdly because RM have already proven themselves keen on the adoption of unscrupulous, unhanded tactics.