The Big Lie - RM going into administration - not!

[stevejm]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

[Binsey]

Here endth the Second Lesson.

[Trumanity]

Here endth the Second Lesson.

And Lo! they sleweth the goats, and put the bones in little pots.

[HTPostman]

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Here endth the Second Lesson.

And Lo! they sleweth the goats, and put the bones in little pots.
[/quote]

Blessed are the cheesemakers.

[Ppat98]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

You raised some good points but ultimately it's speculation. Not a fact like your making it out to be. We don't know what's been going on behind the scenes.

[IAMNOTANUMBER]

Blessed are the cheesemakers.
[/quote]

Henry the 8th loved cheese

[Mr Rush]

Getting the government to reduce the USO to five days would be merely a formality as the service has already declined to that level with no pushback from Ofcom, and a pretence as they have no intention of even providing a reliable five day service.

[timbo1234]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

If the vote is no what do you think RM will do? Nothing ?Re-enter negotiations? Offer a better deal? Or break up the company to hive off the profitable bits? My bet is the last option? Then there cannot be cross subsidising. Then what happens? I don't know but I'm not prepared to take the risk.

[Slim2none]

As Darren Jones said..."If you can't deliver and honour the USO over 6 days what leads you to believe you can do it over 5?!"

I know for RM it's the cost of the 6th day but that is the obligation that was written into law at privatisation.

The business model should always have this as a starting point. You have to do whatever it takes in other areas of your business to accommodate the USO. These charlatans believe they can pick and choose. Ultimately they can't without breaking the law. Which of course they do day in day out.

[enskied]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

If the vote is no what do you think RM will do? Nothing ?Re-enter negotiations? Offer a better deal? Or break up the company to hive off the profitable bits? My bet is the last option? Then there cannot be cross subsidising. Then what happens? I don't know but I'm not prepared to take the risk.

It's a no vote from me.

To the company and the union

[Wolf91]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

You raised some good points but ultimately it's speculation. Not a fact like your making it out to be. We don't know what's been going on behind the scenes.

Nothing there is speculation - apart from the small part at the bottom.
The rest is all true.

[Judgee]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

If the vote is no what do you think RM will do? Nothing ?Re-enter negotiations? Offer a better deal? Or break up the company to hive off the profitable bits? My bet is the last option? Then there cannot be cross subsidising. Then what happens? I don't know but I'm not prepared to take the risk.

Fortunately the majority it seems (at least going by the posts on rmchat!) are prepared to take the risk? Had posties through the decades buried their heads in the sand and avoided standing up for themselves we would be in a much worse position than we are already!

Sometimes you just need to grow a pair and say no I'm not going let my bosses walk all over me!

[milly]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

If the vote is no what do you think RM will do? Nothing ?Re-enter negotiations? Offer a better deal? Or break up the company to hive off the profitable bits? My bet is the last option? Then there cannot be cross subsidising. Then what happens? I don't know but I'm not prepared to take the risk.

Fortunately the majority it seems (at least going by the posts on rmchat!) are prepared to take the risk? Had posties through the decades buried their heads in the sand and avoided standing up for themselves we would be in a much worse position than we are already!

Sometimes you just need to grow a pair and say no I'm not going let my bosses walk all over me!

Those platitudes are meaningless if you can't pay the bills.
We are going into, or are already in a severe recession so keeping your job will be an achievement in the next few years.
I hope the willingness of some people who want to risk everything due to their narrow view of the situation aren't representative of the workforce.

[smok3y666]

As Darren Jones said..."If you can't deliver and honour the USO over 6 days what leads you to believe you can do it over 5?!"

I know for RM it's the cost of the 6th day but that is the obligation that was written into law at privatisation.

The business model should always have this as a starting point. You have to do whatever it takes in other areas of your business to accommodate the USO. These charlatans believe they can pick and choose. Ultimately they can't without breaking the law. Which of course they do day in day out.

It doesn't matter if they fail over 5 or 6 days because RM are suffering no consequencies of failing now for the last how many months?

[timbo1234]

RM won't enter administration. RM is a part of IDS. RM's financial stats are terrible but they have been cross-subsidized by IDS and prior to IDS by GLS.

IDS finances are fine - check out https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/transpo ... res/health

IDS has to ask the government's permission to put RM into a special type of administration. The government can refuse!!!

If the government won't let the USO be reduced to 5 days what makes you think they'll let IDS shed their responsibilities to fulfill the USO by placing RM in special administration? By all rational analysis - it won't happen.

The reason the CWU are supporting this pig of a deal is because they were fiercely attacked
1/ reps suspended
2/ no automatic deduction of union subs from payroll
3/ allegedly - vast reduction in amount of money paid to senior CWU when released from duties
4/ only consultative roll in work-place

The RM twisted the metaphorical arm of CWU behind its back until it was at the point of snapping - CWU have squealed "I submit" and R.M said there's a price to pay - promote this deal - and CWU leadership - stopped roaring like a lion and started bleating like meek lambs.

If the vote is no what do you think RM will do? Nothing ?Re-enter negotiations? Offer a better deal? Or break up the company to hive off the profitable bits? My bet is the last option? Then there cannot be cross subsidising. Then what happens? I don't know but I'm not prepared to take the risk.

Fortunately the majority it seems (at least going by the posts on rmchat!) are prepared to take the risk? Had posties through the decades buried their heads in the sand and avoided standing up for themselves we would be in a much worse position than we are already!

Sometimes you just need to grow a pair and say no I'm not going let my bosses walk all over me!

I cannot understand how people on here actually believe that the CWU have endorsed this agreement in order to save their own skins and those of the reps. If you do believe it then nothing the CWU or anybody says will convince you otherwise. If it is a NO vote we will soon find out what the future holds. As for growing a pair don't make the mistake showing courage for pragmatism. This ballot is the most important in the history of the CWU for both RM and CWU. Given how RM have behaved I would normally vote no but this time is different. Simon Thompson was appointed to do a specific job. Most of his objectives he has achieved. What he might do after a no vote is anybody's guess.