RMG/CWU BUSINESS RECOVERY, TRANSFORMATION AND GROWTH AGREEMENT:Delivery- Seasonal Variation

[nutcracker]

So let me get this straight……..we’re gonna work less hours in the summer? We can’t even clear what we have now, duties not going out, work being brought back regularly and we’re gonna do less hours…….

And there’s the rub, you won’t be doing less hours in the summer. You will have a manager breathing down your neck wanting you to complete, take this ,take that do overtime etc.

[guardianangel]

Who agrees to work 2 extra hours a week and not get paid until next year,absolute tools .

[Subman]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

[Kesknight]

I work 4 days a week. 8 hours a day all year round. Can someone tell me how my seasonal variations will work?

[Zicomurphy]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

No. It’s nothing to do with A/L and it’s nothing to do with overtime.

You work 2 hours extra a week during autumn/winter and 2 hours less a week for the equivalent number of weeks in summer. A full timer will still average 37 hours a week over the course of a full year.

Pay will remain unaffected. A full timer will get paid for 37 hours every week if they work 35,37 or 39 hours that week.

[Clappedoutpostie]

So we are working an extra 2 hours a week for 14 weeks. RM have been banging the drum for months about going into administration. I don’t really want to have worked 28 hours and be in that situation if the business goes pop.

[Subman]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

No. It’s nothing to do with A/L and it’s nothing to do with overtime.

You work 2 hours extra a week during autumn/winter and 2 hours less a week for the equivalent number of weeks in summer. A full timer will still average 37 hours a week over the course of a full year.

Pay will remain unaffected. A full timer will get paid for 37 hours every week if they work 35,37 or 39 hours that week.

Thanks for the reply.

It's clearly not overtime.
Yes,

But A/L and pay, I have questions.

This system is to start this Autumn, i have no leave this Autumn period , so. I will have worked 28 additional hours this year, these hours are not balanced against Summer leave, as I said, it starts in Autumn. Therefore, if no overtime is paid, no additional leave is given and my pay each week remains the same, then because I have worked more hours over the year , my pay per hour has in fact been reduced.

Or to look at it a different way,in the next full leave year 2024/5, if I had 6 weeks leave and I took 4 weeks of them in the Autumn (39 hour weeks), and 2 weeks in the mid period (37 hour weeks), my average would not be 37 hours as I would have taken no balancing hours in the Summer.

Would I be asked to work hours at some stage to ensure my average is 37 hours per week or if I was not able to work the balancing hours, would my leave, or pay be reduced?

[Zicomurphy]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

No. It’s nothing to do with A/L and it’s nothing to do with overtime.

You work 2 hours extra a week during autumn/winter and 2 hours less a week for the equivalent number of weeks in summer. A full timer will still average 37 hours a week over the course of a full year.

Pay will remain unaffected. A full timer will get paid for 37 hours every week if they work 35,37 or 39 hours that week.

Thanks for the reply.

It's clearly not overtime.
Yes,

But A/L and pay, I have questions.

This system is to start this Autumn, i have no leave this Autumn period , so. I will have worked 28 additional hours this year, these hours are not balanced against Summer leave, as I said, it starts in Autumn. Therefore, if no overtime is paid, no additional leave is given and my pay each week remains the same, then because I have worked more hours over the year , my pay per hour has in fact been reduced.

Or to look at it a different way,in the next full leave year 2024/5, if I had 6 weeks leave and I took 4 weeks of them in the Autumn (39 hour weeks), and 2 weeks in the mid period (37 hour weeks), my average would not be 37 hours as I would have taken no balancing hours in the Summer.

Would I be asked to work hours at some stage to ensure my average is 37 hours per week or if I was not able to work the balancing hours, would my leave, or pay be reduced?

Although we book time off in weeks and days it’s actually calculated in hours. If you are registered on the Royal Mail people App and look at the Annual leave section it will tell you your entitlement in hours. So, for example, having over 20 years service my entitlement for 2023/2024 is 222 hours (37 hours x 6 weeks = 222 hours)

If seasonal hours does get brought in my assumption would be for every weeks leave you have they would just subtract the amount of hours you were due to work that week. So a week in August would use 35 hours of your entitlement and a week in November would use 39 hours.

[Subman]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

No. It’s nothing to do with A/L and it’s nothing to do with overtime.

You work 2 hours extra a week during autumn/winter and 2 hours less a week for the equivalent number of weeks in summer. A full timer will still average 37 hours a week over the course of a full year.

Pay will remain unaffected. A full timer will get paid for 37 hours every week if they work 35,37 or 39 hours that week.

Thanks for the reply.

It's clearly not overtime.
Yes,

But A/L and pay, I have questions.

This system is to start this Autumn, i have no leave this Autumn period , so. I will have worked 28 additional hours this year, these hours are not balanced against Summer leave, as I said, it starts in Autumn. Therefore, if no overtime is paid, no additional leave is given and my pay each week remains the same, then because I have worked more hours over the year , my pay per hour has in fact been reduced.

Or to look at it a different way,in the next full leave year 2024/5, if I had 6 weeks leave and I took 4 weeks of them in the Autumn (39 hour weeks), and 2 weeks in the mid period (37 hour weeks), my average would not be 37 hours as I would have taken no balancing hours in the Summer.

Would I be asked to work hours at some stage to ensure my average is 37 hours per week or if I was not able to work the balancing hours, would my leave, or pay be reduced?

Although we book time off in weeks and days it’s actually calculated in hours. If you are registered on the Royal Mail people App and look at the Annual leave section it will tell you your entitlement in hours. So, for example, having over 20 years service my entitlement for 2023/2024 is 222 hours (37 hours x 6 weeks = 222 hours)

If seasonal hours does get brought in my assumption would be for every weeks leave you have they would just subtract the amount of hours you were due to work that week. So a week in August would use 35 hours of your entitlement and a week in November would use 39 hours.

I agree with above and I believe i understand the impact on leave entitlement.

The question is wider than just the impact on A/L , what happens to hours that don't balance over the year.

This year if I have no leave during the Autumn period and there is no Summer to balance so at the end of the year I will in fact have worked 28 hours in total, more than previous years.

Will my annual leave be increased.
Will I be offered additional money
Will I be given time off, through shorter days for a period.
Will I just have to accept that this deal means that I will work an 28 additional hours because I'm in delivery.

[Flashman_]

Question.

Will the additional hours worked during the Autumn period be credited to my leave card on the people app?

If I worked all the Autumn period would my leave entitlement increase by 28 hours?

No. It’s nothing to do with A/L and it’s nothing to do with overtime.

You work 2 hours extra a week during autumn/winter and 2 hours less a week for the equivalent number of weeks in summer. A full timer will still average 37 hours a week over the course of a full year.

Pay will remain unaffected. A full timer will get paid for 37 hours every week if they work 35,37 or 39 hours that week.

Thanks for the reply.

It's clearly not overtime.
Yes,

But A/L and pay, I have questions.

This system is to start this Autumn, i have no leave this Autumn period , so. I will have worked 28 additional hours this year, these hours are not balanced against Summer leave, as I said, it starts in Autumn. Therefore, if no overtime is paid, no additional leave is given and my pay each week remains the same, then because I have worked more hours over the year , my pay per hour has in fact been reduced.

Or to look at it a different way,in the next full leave year 2024/5, if I had 6 weeks leave and I took 4 weeks of them in the Autumn (39 hour weeks), and 2 weeks in the mid period (37 hour weeks), my average would not be 37 hours as I would have taken no balancing hours in the Summer.

Would I be asked to work hours at some stage to ensure my average is 37 hours per week or if I was not able to work the balancing hours, would my leave, or pay be reduced?

Although we book time off in weeks and days it’s actually calculated in hours. If you are registered on the Royal Mail people App and look at the Annual leave section it will tell you your entitlement in hours. So, for example, having over 20 years service my entitlement for 2023/2024 is 222 hours (37 hours x 6 weeks = 222 hours)

If seasonal hours does get brought in my assumption would be for every weeks leave you have they would just subtract the amount of hours you were due to work that week. So a week in August would use 35 hours of your entitlement and a week in November would use 39 hours.

That is my reading of it too. however its still not that simple, you have to take into account what duty patterns you may be working.
If you work a 9 day fortnight as I do, it can get very costly in leave if you take the wrong weeks. This will exacerbate that problem.

I have always taken most of my leave entirely outside of this new summer period (having my summer holiday in September) and at least 4 weeks of it in what will be the winter (39 hour per week ) period. This would leave me short of a at least a day on what I get now. So they will effectively reduce my leave to 5 weeks and a few days depending on what other weeks around the year I take.
Despicable as far as I am concerned.

[Subman]

If we are of the opinion that it is possible to lose annual leave entitlement because of the new working hours/periods, would it not be reasonable to suggest that if at the end of a year such as the current one, that annual leave would be increased because someone has worked additional hours.

Anyone CWU experts have an opinion.?

[SpacePhoenix]

Although we book time off in weeks and days it’s actually calculated in hours. If you are registered on the Royal Mail people App and look at the Annual leave section it will tell you your entitlement in hours. So, for example, having over 20 years service my entitlement for 2023/2024 is 222 hours (37 hours x 6 weeks = 222 hours)

If seasonal hours does get brought in my assumption would be for every weeks leave you have they would just subtract the amount of hours you were due to work that week. So a week in August would use 35 hours of your entitlement and a week in November would use 39 hours.

AL started being calculated in hours when RM moved over from the old Manpower app to the PSP app used today

[Bosley]

1.2.12 This seasonal approach will impact on delivery roles which have outdoor delivery
content as these are the duties where workload varies during the three periods.
Other roles such as collection duties and indoor roles do not see the same seasonal
variation and so will have consistent attendance length across the year. As part of
the future joint review of seasonal working arrangements it may be determined that
some indoor roles do see a seasonal fluctuation e.g., locker roles or CSS operators
and bring them into scope.

I thought that all CSS machines had been moved into MCs

Nope

[77SAMPOST77]

I work 4 days a week. 8 hours a day all year round. Can someone tell me how my seasonal variations will work?

I imagine you would work 6 hours in the summer and 10 hours in the busy winter period ,
Your pay would stay the same all year round at 8 hours per day .

[Kesknight]

I'm part time. I work 4 x 8 hour days. How will my hours vary?