New strike threat is looming for Royal Mail

[L Tommo]

Manager here ... just voted NO on my ballot, also prepared for IA if necessary.

I am loathe to say it but I have little faith in the resolve of the managerial grades although there is a great deal of resentment over the planned changes. If we ALL strike then at least the Govt will see that just about every employee (aside from the senior grades) have no faith in Leighton and Crozier. My only worry is that the Govt are happy to let the 2 clowns do their own dirty work for them ... so much for a Socialist Govt.

Wonder how many M&S vouchers Crozier an Co. will offer this time ???

Man the barricades! The CMA are on the march! Better get on to Billy Bragg so as he can write a song about it. I know! Ken Loach could make a film about it. 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley'? More like 'The Farts in a Space Suit'. "If we ALL strike?" Where were you last summer pal?

GET IN THERE IWW Mate.... TELL IT AS IT IS AND NOT LIKE THE SCREWS WANNA MAKE US THINK... No chance of that....

Bullfrog... I will only believe what i see and not wot i hear....

When the shiney arsed brigade are on a picket line for 12hs straight (WITHOUT A SNEEK OFF TO USE RM KHARZIS) Then i will take you as my brother... UNTIL THEN OR HELL FREEZES OVER... YOU LOT DREW THE LINE IN THE LAST BALLOT.....

FECK OFF!!!

back sliding bastards!!!

OUT :lfo :cfo


ps SCREWS aint even got the balls or backbone to stick with there convictions...

Took the fecking bonuses and now wanna play house with US CWU MEMBERS on a picket.....

RUN WITH THE HARE AND THE HOUNDS...????

[jemima]

If I find any managers on strike with me, I'll bear in mind that the alliance is purely commercial and that they will gain a lot more financially than I will if the pension reforms are blocked. But I wouldn't want them to feel that accepting bribes in return for not striking would be their best option. Therefore I will welcome them cordially, as fellow human beings in distress....

[Budfrog]

Manager here ... just voted NO on my ballot, also prepared for IA if necessary.

I am loathe to say it but I have little faith in the resolve of the managerial grades although there is a great deal of resentment over the planned changes. If we ALL strike then at least the Govt will see that just about every employee (aside from the senior grades) have no faith in Leighton and Crozier. My only worry is that the Govt are happy to let the 2 clowns do their own dirty work for them ... so much for a Socialist Govt.

Wonder how many M&S vouchers Crozier an Co. will offer this time ???

Man the barricades! The CMA are on the march! Better get on to Billy Bragg so as he can write a song about it. I know! Ken Loach could make a film about it. 'The Wind that Shakes the Barley'? More like 'The Farts in a Space Suit'. "If we ALL strike?" Where were you last summer pal?

GET IN THERE IWW Mate.... TELL IT AS IT IS AND NOT LIKE THE SCREWS WANNA MAKE US THINK... No chance of that....

Bullfrog... I will only believe what i see and not wot i hear....

When the shiney arsed brigade are on a picket line for 12hs straight (WITHOUT A SNEEK OFF TO USE RM KHARZIS) Then i will take you as my brother... UNTIL THEN OR HELL FREEZES OVER... YOU LOT DREW THE LINE IN THE LAST BALLOT.....

FECK OFF!!!

back sliding bastards!!!

OUT :lfo :cfo


ps SCREWS aint even got the balls or backbone to stick with there convictions...

Took the fecking bonuses and now wanna play house with US CWU MEMBERS on a picket.....

RUN WITH THE HARE AND THE HOUNDS...????

Posts like this, which are abusive, devalue the aims of this message board. Fair enough if you want to only engage with like minded people but counter productive when it comes to meaningful communications with other members of the same organisation.

I am not going to defend my position as a manager because I don't need to, believe what I say to be genuine or bury your head in the sand I will not be losing sleep over it.

When it comes to the Pension issue (which is what we are talking about here) I think that the wording of last years agreement (CMA at least) left allot to be desired. RM have taken it that CMA/CWU will support their pension reform as part of the packages agreed and the wording would seem to back that up. However the business is being naive in the extreme if it believed that both Unions would agree to support measures that are detrimental to their own membership.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

When it comes to the Pension issue (which is what we are talking about here) I think that the wording of last years agreement (CMA at least) left allot to be desired. RM have taken it that CMA/CWU will support their pension reform as part of the packages agreed and the wording would seem to back that up. However the business is being naive in the extreme if it believed that both Unions would agree to support measures that are detrimental to their own membership.

Did you scab last summer by crossing an official union picket line? Simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do because either you did or you didn't.

[Budfrog]

When it comes to the Pension issue (which is what we are talking about here) I think that the wording of last years agreement (CMA at least) left allot to be desired. RM have taken it that CMA/CWU will support their pension reform as part of the packages agreed and the wording would seem to back that up. However the business is being naive in the extreme if it believed that both Unions would agree to support measures that are detrimental to their own membership.

Did you scab last summer by crossing an official union picket line? Simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do because either you did or you didn't.

I attended work last year because my trade union was not on strike and I would have broken my contract of employment if I had not done so. I continue to be disappointed that the CMA do not recommend that their membership avoid undertaking work that is proper to another trade union.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

I attended work last year because my trade union was not on strike

So you scabbed. That's all you had to say. In the past I've refused to cross UCATT, COHSE/NALGO and T&G picket lines. I'm not a member of any of those unions but one of the fundamentals of being a union member is the concept of solidarity. You don't scab.
I wonder if when all decent people were boycotting South African goods to bring down apartheid, you and your like carried on buying Cape fruit and wine because you weren't black and so it didn't concern you?
You make me laugh. All of a sudden 'we're all in it together'. You took your thirty pieces of silver, you took the side of Royal Mail last year, I can't see what you're complaining about. You made your choice, so stick with it and support Royal Mail over this. I also made my choice and it has remained consistent.

[dvbuk55]

Funny how the CMA members now feel there could be some mileage in jumping on the CWU bandwagon - personally I'd say let them fight their own corner as we did on the pay and modernisation, not that it did us a power of good but we did fight. This CMA member now regrets the decision not to support the CWU - however he doesn't say that they have been offered incentives not available to us and would they be prepared to forego those if any action was successful.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Just to throw this in the hat - and yes I was disappointed when all the managers at my office refused to support us - yet all but 2 agreed with our position.

But surely with the Union and the Association singing from the same hymn sheet and presenting a united front, we are more likely to make RM sit up and listen. After all plenty of CWU members did ask Managers to show support and at least in this issue they appear to be doing so.

However, their Association did Scab last time and for this I will never either forgive or fully trust them as a "Union".

[norbert]

I think all previous senior management leaving is probably to do with Leighton & Crozier's 'Business Plan', they probably disagreed with it and were given the option to go quietly and get 'golden handshakes'. Might have been against their 'ethics' (the Business Plan) but didn't have the moral backbone to make their views public and risk losing the 'golden handshakes'. If Millidge has been with RM a long time & been part of the negotiating team, I don't think he will rock the Alan & Adam boat, got too much invested in RM (years of service). Plus if he's been with RM that long he's part of the problem.

Alan & Adam have now got 'yes' sycophants in all senior management positions, so their loyalty will be to them (Alan & Adam) NOT RM, so watch out workers!

sounds like another "Uncle Tom "

[k979aaa]

Just to throw this in the hat - and yes I was disappointed when all the managers at my office refused to support us - yet all but 2 agreed with our position.

But surely with the Union and the Association singing from the same hymn sheet and presenting a united front, we are more likely to make RM sit up and listen. After all plenty of CWU members did ask Managers to show support and at least in this issue they appear to be doing so.

However, their Association did Scab last time and for this I will never either forgive or fully trust them as a "Union".

FOR IF IT WAS NOT SO SERIOUS IT WOULD BE SO LAUGHABLE! FOR IN THE END THE CMA NEED THE CWU AND YOU ALL THAN WE NEED THEM!.

[norbert]

When it comes to the Pension issue (which is what we are talking about here) I think that the wording of last years agreement (CMA at least) left allot to be desired. RM have taken it that CMA/CWU will support their pension reform as part of the packages agreed and the wording would seem to back that up. However the business is being naive in the extreme if it believed that both Unions would agree to support measures that are detrimental to their own membership.

Did you scab last summer by crossing an official union picket line? Simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do because either you did or you didn't.

I attended work last year because my trade union was not on strike and I would have broken my contract of employment if I had not done so. I continue to be disappointed that the CMA do not recommend that their membership avoid undertaking work that is proper to another trade union.

so kindly Uncle Al and Cousin Ad tried to buy off the CMA membership as they needed them onside for the strikes they orchestrated - Ok that's politics , not necessarily personal but you'd have to be naive not to expect payback time from our intrepid duo which means you can kiss goodbye to the early bath you were expecting , only Senior Managers get something for nothing .

I've seen managers threatened with the sack for not filling in on strike days in another industry , at least RM give managers an AL option .

There is the usual problem with RM's arrogance and shortsightedness , I won't hold my breath about the CMA but it does show that the top down very autocratic, regimented style isn't working if there is a few signs of resentment in the CMA Ranks, some are sick of Leighton and Unite's leadership has being scathing about our beloved dynamic duo but it depends if all this rhetoric can be translated into action .

Unison dare I say it got some sort of a compromise over Pensions .

[Night Tonic]

Such commendable principles but with an already slim chance of reversing this pension slash, we need as many supporting us as we can get. Principles didn't help us one bit last time.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

Such commendable principles but with an already slim chance of reversing this pension slash, we need as many supporting us as we can get. Principles didn't help us one bit last time.

Lack of principles didn't help us that's for sure.

[L Tommo]

This reply to my original post on this subject...

From Bullfrog,,


Posts like this, which are abusive, devalue the aims of this message board. Fair enough if you want to only engage with like minded people but counter productive when it comes to meaningful communications with other members of the same organisation.

I am not going to defend my position as a manager because I don't need to, believe what I say to be genuine or bury your head in the sand I will not be losing sleep over it.

When it comes to the Pension issue (which is what we are talking about here) I think that the wording of last years agreement (CMA at least) left allot to be desired. RM have taken it that CMA/CWU will support their pension reform as part of the packages agreed and the wording would seem to back that up. However the business is being naive in the extreme if it believed that both Unions would agree to support measures that are detrimental to their own membership.
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I dont give a shite if you or anyone else think MY POST was abusive... Call me anti PC if you will... I know in my heart i never SINGLED you out...

Just asked you a question....!! U never answered... SCREW TRAIT...

but went banging on how MY post was devaluing the mess board and counter productive...

I just dont trust ANYONE who is a scab.... END OF.... Now i see you crack another corker of..."my union never went on strike...

But you never had the balls to stand up and go with your morals.... Or lack of em....

You then said... "I continue to be disapointed that the CMA do not recommend that the membership avoid undertaking work that is proper to another trade union..... IE.. Cross a picket line.......

Now im told By a screw that the CMA is a body and not a UNION??? Can you clear this up BULLFROG???

Any which way. EVERY MAN WOMAN N BEAST HAS A CONCIENCE AND MORALS.. Some more than others.....


LIVE BY EM WHEN THE 30 PIECES OF SILVER ARE ON THE TABLE....

Then i will open my arms and my posts on screws will cease.... UNTIL that day or hell freezes over... I will carry on with MY OPINIONS...

Just like you do screw!!!

OUT

[Budfrog]

Just to throw this in the hat - and yes I was disappointed when all the managers at my office refused to support us - yet all but 2 agreed with our position.

But surely with the Union and the Association singing from the same hymn sheet and presenting a united front, we are more likely to make RM sit up and listen. After all plenty of CWU members did ask Managers to show support and at least in this issue they appear to be doing so.

However, their Association did Scab last time and for this I will never either forgive or fully trust them as a "Union".

The vast majority of managers in my MC agreed with the CWUs position during last years IA.

As far as the poster who stated that managers were allowed to book A/L during the strike ... not in my area and it certainly wasn't a case of being 'asked' to volunteer !!!!

I realise that I am in the minority here and am as willing as ever to respond to meaningful discussion. I will not however respond to any form of personal attack by MB users who have a misguided perception of my moral fibre (or lack of) .... if I wasn't concerned about the terms and conditions of ALL RMs employees why would I bother to post here in the 1st place ????

Tommo .... clear the mist from those glasses of yours !