Putting things into perspective

[aiden01]

The dafties that are voting no will have no job to come back too.

They will be committing hari kari and making themselves look very greedy, grasping and stupid.

How come you only joined today and have 3 posts all anti union and pro RM .

I joined the day because I am happy and content with the deal.
What's your excuse ?

If you read my three posts you might have noticed I am very pro union, and anti stupid people who are looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Vote yes to accept what I think is a good deal, considering we have all endured hardship and financial suffering for over a year.

We are lucky to still have jobs considering the strike action has cost the company £200M, and we are losing public support in the middle of a deep recession and food prices at 17.2 inflation.

A no vote is committing suicide in my opinion.

Wise up.

Read the room, this is getting a massive NO rejection, not a chance this is voted in and you can quote me on that.

A sad day in Union history.

As they say in some parts, you can't fix stupid.
A no vote destroys postal workers jobs, the CWU and Royal Mail
It would be a collective vote for mass suicide.
And the general public will turn against us 100%
Ain't going to happen.
The Silent Majority will vote yes.
And you can quote me on that too.

Firstly, let me say to you a very big warm welcome. I see you just joined the forums just now. Secondly, that also means your opinion is completely invalid but enjoy your time here anyway

Why is their opinion completely invalid just because they have only joined. As tbt says everyone welcome.

[aiden01]

Union are complete w*****s n hopefully enough people stop paying there subs so these reps can't keep walking round like they own the place. Self important pr**s

According to a lot of posts on here we are the union so are we all wa--kers speak for yourself.

[sweepster70]

Union are complete w*****s n hopefully enough people stop paying there subs so these reps can't keep walking round like they own the place. Self important pr**s

According to a lot of posts on here we are the union so are we all wa--kers speak for yourself.

100% agree with you.

[k979aaa]

Lets look at the facts here March 2020 faced with the pandemic the CEO of RM said here 1.5% plus 1% next year and an hour off the working week. Now lets jump forward to April 2022 talks happened RM and the CEO said were not doing enough work and we are a load of freeloaders now the facts were there was a pandemic and people HAD TO TAKE 10 DAYS OFF BY LAW OR FACE FINES so simple CEO said we were taking to much sick and said henceforth thou shall not go sick beyond the 8th day and get pay. So the great god in his wisdom said here take this bread (2%) so yee will not starve and god said unto us all you shall work till the sun goes down and on the 7th day deliver tracked 24. Now this did not go down well in fact we voted and had 18 days of strikes. The deal in my opinion falls short on a number of things but that said this will be the only deal and you all get to chose how this all pans out I can but help nearly piss my self laughing at sequtrating assets of the union or taking the whole place down now that the deal is done. Yep I did say some stuff on here to get a deal done but it needed it at the time. It really is up to you all look at the deal take from it what you will and use that agreement in defence of your rights of the way you all work and not at the behest of management for that is what agreements are for!

[jahbalon]

As they say in some parts, you can't fix stupid.

Have you spoken to Dave Ward?

The CWU fought tooth and nail for this deal, and some of you are turning your noses up at it.
Ungrateful sods

A no vote destroys postal workers jobs, the CWU and Royal Mail

Whereas, a yes vote will destroy a postal worker

Hyperbole and over exaggeration.You can't have your cake and eat it too.

It would be a collective vote for mass suicide.

Or force the RM board and CWU to rethink their current strategy

Your talking like Royal Mail and the CWU are in collusion with one another.
Madness and Fake News .

And the general public will turn against us 100%

The general public want a 1st class postal service not a 3rd class one

The letter service is dead on its feet. We have to concentrate on parcel delivery
and staying ahead of our competitors, by innovation, adaptability and flexibility.

We have just gone through a hellish year of strikes and hard nose bargaining.

And you want to press the self destruct button again ?

The Silent Majority will vote yes.
And you can quote me on that too.

Mail processing and distribution are likely to vote YES because the changes don't really affect them. If most of us on deliveries don't agree with the changes then that will make them very difficult to be implemented regardless of the vote. You ever heard the saying "you can lead a horse to water"?

Well, you can quote me on that too

I think posties on delivery have to get up to date, and get with it. This is 2023, not 1971 and Tom Bloody Jackson, who led the postal workers to a humiliating strike defeat.

[k979aaa]

9 posts and rubs our noses in it thing is dip s**t RM do not need as many managers and your just giving them the excuse to terminate you and your contract now crawl back under your stone and be gone!

[jahbalon]

9 posts and rubs our noses in it thing is dip s**t RM do not need as many managers and your just giving them the excuse to terminate you and your contract now crawl back under your stone and be gone!

Grow a pair and talk sense
What you are advocating is termination for all of us.
Have you all taken leave of your senses ?
We have had a year of pure hell, and the CWU win us a good and fair deal, and you lot
want to drop us in the doo dah all over again
I am beginning to think you no voters have personal agendas and axes to grind,
that run contrary to the good and welfare of the majority of decent, hard working postal workers.

[k979aaa]

Get some sense of reality this was never about change or pay but consensus and agreement fight the war you cannot win be that hero. Or come on here and wind us all up on a bad day well your time will come once they have delt with us the managers will be decimated and pay offs at 7 months max!

[guardianangel]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

I will risk losing it rather than accept this terrible deal .

Exactly, we talk about doing things for the next generation. Decent thing to do here is fall on our swords and make sure this company and board collapses so nobody else has to work here. Levelling up? What a wonderful notion. Where are all the people beating us down from having an opinion over the last 6 months

Totally agree, Royal Mail have proved the UK postal service can not be run privately,it should be taken back into public hands ,now is the time to get it back on the cheap as it makes no money (as they tell us) for the sake of customers and workers alike,its like no other business in the UK you cant be using workers to the point where their bodies are breaking down and spit them out the other end,we must all remember in this deal indoor working is to be slashed and even more walking is to be piled on and with the extra hours in the winter they know posties bodies will be on the line that's why they have slashed the IHR,this is a disgrace in a modern country i honestly think its starting to border on slavery when one drops drag them out to be replaced by another We need to vote NO !!! and force this government to take it back over for the sake of everyone involved,if there is job cuts so be it.

[Wullie10]

I've spent the last 11 months looking for another job in an area supposedly short on staff. Hardly any paid over 21k a year. No where near what I get at RM . I'm not forced to work long hours. If I go over I book ot and boost my wages or cut off and go home. . If I was younger I'd learn a trade and get a decent job but for most posties it's the usual hot air and moaning. The only guarantee is most will be here next year and the year after and the year after that and the year after that.

[Grads75]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

Those who claim that the government will bail us out are only part right. They would have continued with the USO but everything else would have likely ceased causing thousands of immediate job losses with on Statuary redundancy pay available.

No responsible union gambles with its members jobs and wages.

Instead we have an agreement, not perfect but has changed the company on every aspect.

Those who reject this and that is your right then do you really thing that change won’t be imposed and do you really think that pay in a company which loss 800 million this year is suddenly going to cough up even if it survives ?

Now let’s answer some of the points.

1. You deserve more pay but there is no more. The pay options are the same but the 6% this year is better option as it flows through to pensions , allowances , overtime and SA. The lump sum option would have delayed the 6% to next year and meant you only got 2% in April.

2. Royal Mail are coming of flights , no strike will force Royal Mail to continue to fly Mail for CO2 reasons and that a growing number of companies are refusing to use parcel companies who fly work. Once Royal Mail come off planes you will receive your distant mail later.

3. The CWU have reduced this to ensure that in the vast majority of untie you will only move up to 60 minutes.

4. Just because the last letter for urban and rural will move to 16:30. It does not mean every unit moves to 16:30. The current urban last letter is 15:30 not every unit currently finishes at 15:30.

5. The agreement states that the majority of units will finish by 15:30 , the vast majority by 16:00 and there will be working groups to ensure this can be achieved.

6. Seasonal variations is fundamentally different to annualised hours and flexi bank. Every Delivery postie will know a year in advance their start and finish times. The 15 weeks in the summer when you will work 24 minutes less per day and the 15 weeks in peak when you will work 24 minutes more per day before your duty is known.

7. The 30 minutes flex is not compulsory and is subject to a review.

I will comment more in due course but if anyone believes there are no consequences if you reject the deal and believe it will get better than your really are not reading the room.

The sick pay is why im voting no aging delivery staff out in all weathers doing 30000 steps a day and having to stand 2 days on second absence cwu out of touch no from me and out of cwu putting my subs into a savings pot incase i have 2 absence in a year which at this rate is highly likely

[Whinealot]

I suggest Martin that you and the upper echelons of the CWU “read the room”
1, there is NO assurance given for RM to honour this “deal” and not retract from it like they did from the PTC one.
2, the sick pay proposal is woefully in adequate (yes we know why it was attacked) but with longer delivery duties, more work and more pressure is it not obvious that older staff will struggle to maintain workload? Oh and then what about when they get injured or sick because of the increased workload loaded on them? 1 paid absence per 12 months is not good enough for genuine job incurred injuries.
3, why do the CWU now join RM in coining the phrase SSP is payable for the 2/3 days of subsequent absences. It must be transparent that we will receive NO pay in those lead in days!!
4, it is not a 10 % pay offer over 3 years! 2022 has gone and is done and dusted, with an imposed 2% and no increase for that year so hence no back pay. So the real offer is 8% over 2 years
and a piddling £500 payment.
In summary for me, this is way to vague and does not compel RM to adhere to this agreement, remember RM imposed a pay offer, and then changes BEFORE strike action was taken and were let off the hook from “our legally binding, deal of the century etc” by the CWU in June/ July. These are just my observations, others will have theirs, it’s not us that need to “ read the room” is it?

[postslippete]

Hyperbole and over exaggeration.You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The letter service is dead on its feet. We have to concentrate on parcel delivery
and staying ahead of our competitors, by innovation, adaptability and flexibility.

Please tell me how Royal Mail can stay ahead of competitors that have owner drivers and pay their staff minimum wage. What do we do that's different to what they do?

Let me know when you've figured it out and think about what you've just quoted above......

Hyperbole and over exaggeration indeed and we make the cake for Royal Mail but they always take the bigger slice.

[k979aaa]

Look at the deal read it in effect it is a two year deal now from April and if you come up with a better deal would love to hear it!

[postslippete]

I am beginning to think you no voters have personal agendas and axes to grind,
that run contrary to the good and welfare of the majority of decent, hard working postal workers.

Do keep up. Everything Royal Mail has done for several months has been to humiliate and annoy postal workers.

And decent hard working posties deserve a decent deal - not a sell out like this one is.