Putting things into perspective

[Slim2none]

Good lord Martin you should read through your post. Read it as if you were a postie. Read it with the knowledge of what the CWU leadership has been telling us to believe all the way through this dispute. Read it again and again.
Your new advice is to suck it up, coz this is as good as it gets?

To quote Mr McEnroe, "you cannot be serious"!

Months and months of talks and nobody at CWU thought that it may be a good idea to let the membership know we were always going to get a crap deal.

As the CWU leadership have been saying all along, we, the members, are the CWU not the leadership, including you Martin. You are supposed to be our representative voice. It's pretty obvious now that we are, justifiably feeling let down.

No matter how much you spin this, there is not even one segment of this proposal that can be quantified as a win. So no, please don't insult our intelligence by trying to package it as such.

We have been let down by poor/weak leadership all through this dispute. Your post serves no purpose. There are more holes than Swiss cheese. This company have all the scope they need in this proposal to back out of any and all of it as the mood takes them.

DW & AF have said the company have been using union busting tactics all the way through....job done as far as I can tell. Well and truly busted.

So with regards to the deal and your take on it...here's mine...

You can put a pig in a dress but it's still a pig.

[sindba]

Come on everyone, be more positive, you're just not reading the room!

[sixfoottwo]

Here we go, no offence Martin and you seem a good egg but we've been sold out here, I'll be voting NO and so will 99% of my office.

Disgraceful in my opinion.

[blacov]

@Martin Cwu have left us in a no man land. We are wedged between a rock and scissors. You are right as nothing stops Royal Mail just rolling out the change anyway. At this point I also believe there is no more money to be offered but for majority of us it is not and frankly have never been all about the money. Instead the union have wasted a good couple of months on fighting for a no strings pay rise and look where did it take us?

You have truly lost the battle but the real losers are not Cwu or Royal Mail. It is us workers, I would go further and say it is us foot soldiers, us posties who work in deliveries who will bear the brunt.
I vote no and if this means I'd end up with statutory redundancy payment so be it. This job isn't going to be worth having anyway.

[guardianangel]

Martin with all due respect, the CWU have lost the workforce, you've only got to look here and at social media....CWU have sold us down the river and saved their own skin. How it went from an inflation matching payrise to the current deal I'll never know.

[guardianangel]

Martin Walsh pushing the Royal mail and cwu joint narrative,i'll be voting no to the surrender document in principle after royal mail and its shareholders nicked all the money for us to take the fall,if it folds so be it ,i wont be working for a company under these conditions,i mean who signs up to working more hours in the hope they get paid next year,delusional.VOTE NO and yes thats my right.

[guardianangel]

Here we go, no offence Martin and you seem a good egg but we've been sold out here, I'll be voting NO and so will 99% of my office.

Disgraceful in my opinion.

Same at our office

[deadbox]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

And we are being asked to pay for it with our T&C’s

For a company on the edge, last week they were offering £1500 x 115000 workers, £172,500,000 can be found down the back of the sofa

IDS and GLS were paid for from Royal Mail profits, so cross subsidy is perfectly possible. Amazon shopping/Music/Video are all loss making companies that are cross subsidised from Amazon data/ cloud services.

This deal looks like it gives the board everything that they want while we give up more of our t&c’s

[rambo1]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

[77SAMPOST77]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

I will risk losing it rather than accept this terrible deal .

[heraldmoth]

Honestly, just what the f**k was that? Now it’s our fault? Turns out u can’t polish a turd only step in it.

[jahbalon]

The dafties that are voting no will have no job to come back too.

They will be committing hari kari and making themselves look very greedy, grasping and stupid.

[sixfoottwo]

Here we go, no offence Martin and you seem a good egg but we've been sold out here, I'll be voting NO and so will 99% of my office.

Disgraceful in my opinion.

Same at our office

Solidarity WE ARE THE UNION!

[claystones]

Wonder what terry pullinger thinks of this s**t deal i bet he aint happy

[heraldmoth]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

I will risk losing it rather than accept this terrible deal .

Exactly, we talk about doing things for the next generation. Decent thing to do here is fall on our swords and make sure this company and board collapses so nobody else has to work here. Levelling up? What a wonderful notion. Where are all the people beating us down from having an opinion over the last 6 months