Putting things into perspective

[CRIBMAD]

all you and the CWU are worried about is losing your jobs , we know what a no vote would mean but let me tell you this most really dont care, you have accepted a crap (worse than crap) deal to save your own skins ! Bring on a massive NO vote , and bring RM and the CWU down ! YOU HAVE SHAFTED US !

[enskied]

Dave Ward n co didn't go on strike. Yes they attended a few select picket lines.

They received no deductions from usual pay.

[Mikeb99]

A sensible post!

And what are those consequences Martin ,
For those of us NOT ABLE TO READ THE ROOM .
Pretty arrogant comment that is .

I think the opening 2 paragraphs of Martins post made that pretty clear- mass job losses and minimum redundancy payouts.
It’s time to stop all the chest beating bravado and accept we work for a company that can’t pay any more than its agreed and vote yes. Anyone voting no is playing Russian roulette with everyone else’s job with no prospect off getting a better deal.

[FilthyBloke]

I’m not a union man but what if this is actually the best deal available.
Iv been critical of the union from august onwards but to me it was clear that RM didn’t want to budge and were happy to dig their heels in. So the CWU fought and then realised it wasn’t going to get a deal it originally wanted.

The problem is that the union have said for months that this pay rise is ‘derisory’ and the terms and conditions were worth striking for and everything else…. But now it’s clear that this is pretty much it. The members still have that ‘derisory’ comment and slogans such as ‘win the ballot win the dispute’, and the end of the line is that this doesn’t feel like a ‘win’ and the union probably know that. But they are up against a company that matched them every step of the way and achieved their own targets.

So I think the union has trapped itself with its slogans and dreamy language but this was perhaps the only deal they could have got. It just took them a while to realise.

[ebbzie]

So vote for the deal OR ELSE? Tough sell.

Sick pay?
Attendance standards?
Performance monitoring?

There's so much in this deal that isn't essential modernisation, it just flogs us to death. Race to the bottom.

Still a big NO from me.

Add to this out delivering in the scorching sun from 11-4.30 every day in the summer . Many will collapse

[scoobydo79]

So when it all kicks off next time ( and it will)RM are safe in the knowledge they can tell us the above and We will just buckle . Fantastic

[dakka86]

I’m not a union man but what if this is actually the best deal available.
Iv been critical of the union from august onwards but to me it was clear that RM didn’t want to budge and were happy to dig their heels in. So the CWU fought and then realised it wasn’t going to get a deal it originally wanted.

The problem is that the union have said for months that this pay rise is ‘derisory’ and the terms and conditions were worth striking for and everything else…. But now it’s clear that this is pretty much it. The members still have that ‘derisory’ comment and slogans such as ‘win the ballot win the dispute’, and the end of the line is that this doesn’t feel like a ‘win’ and the union probably know that. But they are up against a company that matched them every step of the way and achieved their own targets.

So I think the union has trapped itself with its slogans and dreamy language but this was perhaps the only deal they could have got. It just took them a while to realise.

Agree I think some of us realised this many months ago

[Acca Dacca]

Remember this company paid managers £1000 bonus each to work through the strikes.

I'll never forget it. Neither should you.

[norris9]

nothing mentioned on sick pay in this because that's one of the worst parts of the deal....

but at the end of the day.... I'll be voting YES. I am ok with the deal for the most part. I have aims to get out of this job within 2 years anyway. I'd like to avoid the later finishes where our journeys home from work will be spent stuck in school traffic. As well as avoid destroying my body by walking 13 miles a day day after day, year after year.

[norris9]

Remember this company paid managers £1000 bonus each to work through the strikes.

I'll never forget it. Neither should you.

and £3000 to implement the revisions?

remind the manager of that every time he/she says you haven't done enough when you bring stuff back..... he or she was the one that implemented it for a £3000 bonus.

[Poppyellie69]

No doubt when results are in,losses won't b as bad as first thought and just enough to award a dividend to just put the final boot in!!

[77SAMPOST77]

Remember this company paid managers £1000 bonus each to work through the strikes.

I'll never forget it. Neither should you.

Once the dust as settled they will go after the junior managers next ,
one such way is to make them reapply for there own jobs on worse pay and conditions ,
Or make them work longer hours for no extra pay , they are not immune to the massive changes about to take place .
And they will get zero sympathy from the real workers .

[nuisance]

No

Not good enough.

[chickenwittle]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

Those who claim that the government will bail us out are only part right. They would have continued with the USO but everything else would have likely ceased causing thousands of immediate job losses with on Statuary redundancy pay available.

No responsible union gambles with its members jobs and wages.

Instead we have an agreement, not perfect but has changed the company on every aspect.

Those who reject this and that is your right then do you really thing that change won’t be imposed and do you really think that pay in a company which loss 800 million this year is suddenly going to cough up even if it survives ?

Now let’s answer some of the points.

1. You deserve more pay but there is no more. The pay options are the same but the 6% this year is better option as it flows through to pensions , allowances , overtime and SA. The lump sum option would have delayed the 6% to next year and meant you only got 2% in April.

2. Royal Mail are coming of flights , no strike will force Royal Mail to continue to fly Mail for CO2 reasons and that a growing number of companies are refusing to use parcel companies who fly work. Once Royal Mail come off planes you will receive your distant mail later.

3. The CWU have reduced this to ensure that in the vast majority of untie you will only move up to 60 minutes.

4. Just because the last letter for urban and rural will move to 16:30. It does not mean every unit moves to 16:30. The current urban last letter is 15:30 not every unit currently finishes at 15:30.

5. The agreement states that the majority of units will finish by 15:30 , the vast majority by 16:00 and there will be working groups to ensure this can be achieved.

6. Seasonal variations is fundamentally different to annualised hours and flexi bank. Every Delivery postie will know a year in advance their start and finish times. The 15 weeks in the summer when you will work 24 minutes less per day and the 15 weeks in peak when you will work 24 minutes more per day before your duty is known.

7. The 30 minutes flex is not compulsory and is subject to a review.

I will comment more in due course but if anyone believes there are no consequences if you reject the deal and believe it will get better than your really are not reading the room.

The union have deliberately held off on making the 30mins flex mandatory just to get a yes vote , when the trial takes place in July Royal Mail will want it made mandatory and you know it .You pulled the wool over their eyes years ago with this by making it optional, they won’t fall for that again.

[calsae]

I don’t get to vote having already withdrawn my union subs but my opinion is the CWU is finished, they have let the members down. The ‘Chest Beating’ from them on social media created the massive mandate but they consistently showed their amateurish approach from holding up ‘vote yes’ at the parliamentary committee to putting ‘I’m with the union’ in comments on live feeds. All due respect Martin you guys haven’t ‘read the room’
As I have said in my previous posts I will carry on quietly quitting for as long as I can. My body feels like it’s recovering slowly from the years of pushing myself to do to a good job. Now it’s do as little as possible until my finish time, don’t get involved in unit wranglings and just enjoy the fresh air and the saunter around the streets.